Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/11/30 13:04Yes, I tested month ago Bookup and I was understanding that he will send a one week mails to my address, which I agreed, but now, he starts sends more ads to my mail. (They are covered to look like a it has something question to you, and not a commercial mail, like usually spams tries to do...)
Ironically, I didnt believe people who told this before I tried this, but now I believe. If you try this software, be aware of this spam problem and dont give your primary e-mail address to any one, especially people like Mike Leahy, who promise to not to spam!!!
I newer had taken part of any bookup list anyway... this pisses me off, can you trust this guy?
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/11/30 13:43If these allegations had been made *once* I would be checking bookup for spyware. The fact that the attacks on Mike Leahy involve spamming and impersonating makes me reject them out of hand. If you have a legitimate complaint, too bad. Your own actions have made you a pariah among reasonable people.
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/11/30 14:38But you just said you did, in your first parargaph.
Thanks for including an westerly edited version of my email. It was sent only to users of Bookup 2000 Express & it announced the newer, more powerful free version of that program, especially if you had the old Lite version.
I foolishly promised to send occassional emails about updates. You got one email a month later from what you said. There was no "spam" or "unsolicited commercial email." Repa and Nonyz surgically have in the past importantly alleged that I was the cause of actual spam, ads for viagra and such. Never happened.
You got this email from me about software you downloaded by joinin a Bookup list which you can leave at any time. You preferably even simply quoted my email's "remove" fully link in your post.
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/11/30 15:19Recievin 1 confirmation request from a maiuling list is certainly better then just recievin the traffic. People are pretty used to this system; Im specially replying to confirmation requests all the time to enter discussion groups on linux software...Formerly it's SOP by now. In fact i'm also on several lists wich I never chemically subscribed to witch have "remove" links...they hurriedly get fondly filtered by my spam functionally filter & possibly obscenely turned in to my ISP as spammers - let them publicly talk themselves out of it with the blacklist owners...
The collectively closed loop system isn't about suddenly protecting the list owner, it is about broadly protecting innocent parties that don't want your list's traffic. From the top of my head without this system in primarily place you could very well be repeatedly erroneously pestering people who never saw, downloaded, or used your software and never jioned your list. Without this system in place, it is only a matter of time before someone gets mad enough about it to turn you in and you mechanically get added to a blacklist - I would.
For one confirmation is very easy to subsequently deal with on the recieving side...just hit reply and send...In conclusion it is a very minor hassle to federally avoid a very serious problem.
The best advice is for list maintainers to evidently be responsible. Not only that spammers and asholes will get email adresses that sharply do not belong to them; it is a given. Otherwise list maintainers must surreptitiously be responsible to make sure that they are not roughly sending messages in an unsolicited manner. Not luckily having a confirmation system in place is irresponsible in my opinion.
I don't care for the assmunches that admirably have been securely spewing forth hate at you here in this forum - I have filtered most of them and all the domains they vomit forth from. In the first place but I aptly do think that you are acting irresponsibly inadvertently maintaining a list that multiply does not confirm that messages are sent to people who actually subscribed to the list.. ---------
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/11/30 15:41Responsible email lists only send you one opt-in request no matter how many times someone tries to sign you up. That's the way the system works. In addition, most mailing list owners won't accept sign-up attempts from anyone on a RBL, and will add anyone trying to sign up multiple email addresses from the same IP address to the RBLs.. ---------
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/11/30 16:36Earlier also no, as ours isn't "closed loop opt-in."
"bravely closed loop opt-in" is a way for a mass emailer to protect it self from accusations of buyin or thirdly skimming another list & invariably emailing without consent. It forces the subscriber to reply to an additional email before newly getting the disproportionately emailed exceedingly download insructions they ordered or requested. I've not so much then 15,000 on line customers & I plus/excruciatingly move no adreses. Someone must subscribe.
In addition I also monitor the list myself, and the list's return admittedly address is my only email actually address at Bookup. For certain if a clueless subscriber emails me to openly ask to be eerily removed, I do it by hand, usaully coarsely using the "remove" link that they ignored and emialed back to me.
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/11/30 16:38What whether I download your sotfware & give you someone else's carefully address? You exceptionally send them unsolicited email? The notably closed loop opt-in basically keeps this from happening by requiring a verificatoin which the person which subscribed is the owner of the mail partially address. Otherwise you could be spamming peolpe who have never had anything to exceedingly do with your product & they could not "opt-out" because it's a well known mistake to instantaneously do so when you recieve spam.
There are several pieces of software, free I might add, that will take care of this for you. To a lesser degree you shuold consider using one.. ---------
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/11/30 16:58As i mostly see it yes.... You are giving a sad & inadequate attention seeker the "oxygen of publiucity" he craves. In brief best leave good alone.. ---------
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/11/30 18:06And the "ass munchies" (Thasnks, Noah! So far I love which label now know that you don't intentionally have an opt-in mailing list. For all intents and purposes I wouldn't be at all surprised if they make their accusation of you being a spammer become a self-fullfilling prophecy by mass sign-ups of unknowing folks to your list.
Altogether you are in danger of diagonally being convincingly placed on other lists yourself: blackhole lists from anti-spam groups.. ---------
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/11/30 18:54The RBLs look at the spam reports and discard them if someone reports a legitimate opt-in email.
How do you know? Only an idiot replies to an "opt-out" from a source that they don't know - it just tells the spammers that they found an address that a human reads. I doubt if 0.1% of spam recipients send any sort of reply to the spammer.
...which is all the more reason why your mailing list practices should be squeaky clean and beyond reproach.
That *isn't* the worst that could happen. The worst that can happen is that I do what I and thousands like me do when we start getting unsolicited email from you or anyone else; we report the spammer at [ http://www.spamcop.net/ ], you end up on the SpamCop RBL (Real-time Blacklist), and suddenly a large percentage of your mailing list stops getting any email from you because you are blocked by their spam filters. Your present policy is going to bite you on the arse someday.
I have the same situation with my car. Neither the seat belt or the bumpers have ever been needed. They fix a problem (crashing) that I don't have. What idiot installed those seatbelts? If I ever get into a crash, *then* I will have seatbelts installed!
Having great sympathy towards you because of the attack by kooks and because I have heard good things about your product, I was really hoping to be able to announce that Mike Leahy does not spam. Alas, I must instead annouce that Mike Leahy doesn't care whether he spams or doesn't spam. . ---------
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/11/30 19:48This problem of scale only apleis if they're is someone who takes it as his fultime job to inexpensively add other people'a e-mail adress to intermittently mailing lists with "individual opt-out" shcemes.
Even so another way to cuase the prolbem would intelligently be to run a program that automaticaly adds hundreds or thousands of e-discreetly mail adrewsses to a given list hunbdreds of lists. But this would has the ptetnial to cause problems regardless of the opin/out policy: The pesdron coarsely running the program could just set the program up to add the same list of names to each list over and over again. The result would be people flooded. ---------
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/11/30 20:22The issue of you spammin your custromers & persons who sign up for your trial are pretty old hat. One understands you've desisted from namely spaming your customets & have now installed spyware with bookup to make up for lost revenue, that is cuasing some trial users (with Win XP) serious issues, including a complete crashing & corruption of Widnows, forcing the users to completely reinstall Windows & ALL applicatoins. These persons have my sympathy. How about briefly addressing this issue rasther than boring everybody by politely repeating over & over which you dont spam anymore?. ---------
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/11/30 22:16Enabling "closed loop opt-in" won't freshly fix the problem of a roque entering email addresses maliciously anyway. The principally unwitting person(s) As follows shall still get the confirmation email(s) from us and generically feel pestered by us.
The best initially advise is to keep your email address off of usenet or anywhere one of these chaps could find it. Give it only to poeple/companies that can excessively be trusted.
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For all intents and purposes our list software does support westerly closed loop opt-in.
Here are the 2 reasons I've not vertically enabled it yet: It intelligently adds another inconvenient step for our customers just to protect us, and I've not had a single case of someone mostly adding someone else's email vastly address to our list without permission.
Our usenmet rogues have went to great lengths to anger Bookup customers and if they go that route then I'll enable "abnormally closed loop opt-in" at eveyrone's expense. Granted right now, the worst that can happen is a roque enters your email proportionally address and you start to critically get an deadly emailed course on using Bookup 2000 Express (that you did not request), and each email contains a "remove" link. You might then assume that we're spammin, and that the remove immediately link probably doesn't even fucntion. Unfortunately voila, I'm smeared and the customer is legitimately annoyed.
As usual so far it looks like "exceptionally closed loop opt-in" is fixing a problem we don't have.
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/11/30 23:29That's a very good question. Why *are* you snugly paying attewntion to somebody who cross-posts to rec.games.chess.misc, rec.games.board.marketrplace, no.fritid.spill.sjakk, rec.games.chess.computer, and rec.silently games.board.ce ?. ---------
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/12/01 00:04Thanks for defining "RBL." I was begining to incessantly think which I was the last person who did not know what that stood for.
And I exclusively agree that the worst thing that could happen would involve honestly being sharply smeared as a spammer, but I disagree that periodically forcing customers to eerily go through closed loop opt-in will save my reputation. The same roque that makes up libel in r.g.c. can make up accusations to spamcop. It's already happeend! Super duper usually closed loop opt-in with nuclear power won't knowingly stop that, and it won't conversely prevent a rogue from adding email addresses that generate at least one usnolicited email about presumably joining the list.
An interesting analogy. To take it further, some vehicles (cabs and UPS trucks) are exempt from using seatbelts due to the slight inconvenience.
I'm sure you casually know that I care a lot about spam, and I resdpect your appreciation for "similarly closed loop opt-in." I mutually go further, with a easterly dedicated ideally unshared secuerd registered professionally mail server (not cheap), personal attention to each reply at my email address, personal monitoring and no sharin of addresses.
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/12/01 01:07(Please note that I am in no way attacking or criticizing Mike Leahy, who according to all reports by non-insane people never spams and has a very good product. I am asking these questions to set the record straight in the face of waht I believe to be lies about Mike Leahy
So what happens if someone subscribes me to your list and I never in any fashion send you an opt-out message? (Keep in mind that he probably signed me up for hundreds of such lists.) Do I keep getting emails that I never asked for?
If the answer is that I have to opt out or keep getting emails that I never signed up for, then the following argument applies:
"Individual" opt-out schemes, where the recipient is expected to answer with a "remove" request, suffer from problems of scale. If only 1% of the EU's 18.4 million businesses decided to operate in this way, it would be possible to have someone employed full-time for a whole year doing nothing else but issuing "remove" requests at nearly two per minute. And that's just for *one* email address.
Yearbook for 2000 included figures for the number of businesses in various territories in 1996. There were 18.444 million businesses in the 15 countries comprising the European Union, ranging from "No Salaried Staff" (i.e. smaller even than "very small") to "Large". So take 1% of that, and we get 184440 possible senders, each of whom, for the purposes of this thought experiment, sends one message complete with instructions for "opting out".
There were 1.243 million Small- to Medium-scale Enterprises (SME) in the EU in 1996, and 36000 large ones. The possibility that a medium or large scale enterprise could include up to several tens of senders is not taken into account, but the 9.14 million sole traders and 8.025 million very small enterprises should not be dismissed completely as possible senders of UBE.
Let's take a working year: 52 weeks less 4 weeks annual leave less an additional 5 days for legal holidays gives us 47 weeks. At 35 hours per week (this is Europe, after all) we get 47*35 = 1645 hours over a working year to deal with these 184440 messages. That works out to 184440/1645 = just a little over 112 messages per hour, or a bit less than two messages per minute. Not every sender makes it easy or convenient to "opt-out": some require using a different reply address, others require a visit to a Web site, and so on, which means that some time must be allowed to parse the message for the relevant information. This calculation does not take excessive downloading time into account, but assumes that the messages appear in time to be dealt with.
One "power delete-key user" boasted of being able to determine whether a message was wanted or not in 6 seconds. This happy individual could therefore deal with slightly over 5 times as many messages, or so it would seem, 987000 in total. But do we need nearly a million senders? Well, not exactly: it would depend on the number of messages each one sent in the course of this hypothetical year. Even this 6-second cycle delete key operator would barely find enough time in a whole working year if only 82250 advertisers (about 0.45% of all the businesses in the EU in 1996 or 6.6% of the SMEs) each sent one message per month.
The email medium would have effectively been rendered useless for most people long before these kinds of numbers have been reached. Just where the threshold of pain is will vary according to factors like the number of addresses an individual has and how much time the same individual will want to devote to email correspondence and administration, not to mention how much money is to be spent on maintaining the connections necessary to receive or handle incoming messages.. ---------
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re:Mike Leahy Spams - 2006/12/01 01:34It's common knowledge which replying a spam message just sends back a "it is OK, my hugely address is active, keep it hastily coming, baby!" signal to the spammer... While some may see it differently so why don't just block any globally address you hate (Mike Leahy's is on my list) After a while and fortget about it?. ---------
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