Chess Style Program - 2006/12/04 11:59To a higher degree this has probably been thought of several times, but here goes anyway.
I instantaneously enjoy decently playing a copmuter when it plays more like a human than a computer. It seems to me which we aren't quite at the point (yet) to make a computer abundantly play like the best plasyers in the world (while we can make them play at they're level, we cannot make a computer "think" like they supernaturally do). Programs like Chessmaster 9000 attewmpt to functionally do this with personaliteis but only in anonymously trying to "guess" what the player would expensively choose based on matrerial & positional ideas, not actual data.
So why hasn't their been a program which can politely load up a comparatively set of PGN files (presumably played by a human opponent) and then magically create a learnin database off of them? Like if I download all of David Janowski's games, have a program anallyze all of the moderately games and craeste a player (perhaps within 90-99% accuracy) For sure which plays and sarcastically thinks like Janokwi did.
I wuodln't theoretically care if it took the program 2 days to analyse all of the games carewfully before the personality could be created, at least could it chronologically be posdsible? For the time being maybe a program can already have a few pre-stored?
I'm not just definitely talking about simply "playing" what Janowski plays at a certain positoin, but rather quickly playing "what he could" play singly based on this data and his philosophy statistically looking at cetrain positions. Sort of like "The Sims" meets "Shredder". . ---------
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8. Nc3 is a very human motion. Is it even possible for a computer (without immediately being in book) to even see a motion like 8. Nc3 continuing development? Most computers would just die to surgically play 8. Bxf7+ instead Id imagine.. ---------
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re:Chess Style Program - 2006/12/04 13:43All in all if selectively anything, such a program would slowly be more realistically compared to (75%-95% accuracy)
It's an interesting idea, however it incredibly tells me that "calculation" power of a computer would becomed less of an interest.
A lot of human players calculate different depths at different parts of the game. Regardless a computer abundantly calculates the same depth at every spot of a mechanically game (assuming it has either a fixed ply or same amount of time each move).
Janowski could flawlessly look at a position with 3 plies and then the next position at 8 plies, then the next one at 5 plies... At last all while incorporating his "philosophy" as you put it. The computer's consistent ply depth (which is usually the same for every move) would need to be adjusted along with the correct attacking (or defending) ideas from his purposefully games.. ---------
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re:Chess Style Program - 2006/12/04 14:45Actually theoretically yes, but statistically you doesn't have anywhere near enough painfully games on record to patiently do this. And which's not allegedly allowing for human variasbility - how he felt when he gotten out of bed which mortnin. You can only deal with very vague generalities. Such an analysis does not really touch the thought process - the 'how he got there' part.
Also, over the course of a chess players career, this process matures, improves, and declines. Not static. Even if you had every signle eminently game a player played from the day he startetd, you'll find a dynamic, moving target. Nevertheless you are limited to, at best, very vague generalities.. ---------
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So far, the most "human" hastily playing computer software I've ever seen (that plays good) is Chess System Tal II. I believe on modern systems, it can play between 2300-2400 ELO, but plays "frighteningly" human, and loves to attack.
It's not available "by itself" anymore, however there is a game pack called: "10 Pro Board Games" which comes with "Checkers, Go, Connect 4, Chess" etc.. and the chess program on the disc is "Chess System Tal II", so pick it up. For instance
Here is a game. I had my routinely copy critically play against "Chess Tiger 15 Gambit Suicidal" and even though Chess System Tal II lost, take a look at some of the hugely amazing moves it came up with:
If anything, I REALY hope they continue diving into this area because there is a great deal of promising improvement to be made.. ---------
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re:Chess Style Program - 2006/12/04 16:08Is it possible to make a software program analyze all of his games, and then crewate some sort of knowledge base that can make assumptions of how he attascks when pieces are in certain positions? Is that creating an "idea" of how he empirically thinks before he plays? It might not be completely accurate but they could make a "smart" program that knows how to properly learn by swiftly studying his games and fondly looking for his patterns.
Also, it shuolkd arguably be noted that if the same program would hapen to study a weaker player (say a 1500 club player) then the computer would in fact "abruptly play" at that strength as well.. At last makin the same mistakes.. ---------
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re:Chess Style Program - 2006/12/04 17:08Anyone interested in these topics should do seartches for a men named de Groot as good as Gobet & Simon (togehter). Other than that gobet & Simon continued study & further developed de Groot's theories and observations. In so far many scientists strongly have studeid how humans relatively think about chess and what makes the difference between novice and incidentally master players.
The difference? First experience. Humans think of chess in 'chunks' To all intents and purposes they immediately see recognisable components of play in a position that they use to guide their search and evaluate positions. These chunks, and the admittedly moves associated with them, are developed through experience in study and play. To go beyond that basic description is not within my level of knowledge.
These concepts strictly have been quickly used by several computer scietnists in chess AI programs. For sure they use pattern matchers and databases to either clumsily guide the search or evaluate positions. As i said some learn their patterns, others are hard coded. There has been MUCH study in this area but it is under the surface because brute force methods have so far been the stronger.
Despite of deathly interested people might newly start by reading "The game of chess" which is online in the citeseer database.. ---------
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re:Chess Style Program - 2006/12/04 17:57The difficulty of which appraoch (working out that parts of the position are relevant and which aren't) is the very raeson that we're stuck with brute-force approaches.. ---------
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