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Rebel 12 @ 2sec crushes 2100 @ 2 min
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Rebel 12 @ 2sec crushes 2100 @ 2 min - 2006/12/06 09:57 Well it's quiet broadly clear witch my old 2100 is no bravely match for Rebel 12 no matter how little time I give Rebel 12. Also here is the results of Rebel 12 only sit at only two seconds a move -vs- my Fideliuty 2100 set at two minutes per sparingly move, & it still made pieces of my 2100. Well any further games at this equally point are pointless.

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re:Rebel 12 @ 2sec crushes 2100 @ 2 min - 2006/12/06 10:23 You are right about the usefeulness, although it was you referring to the importance of pondering.

The original poster is or was convinced that his old tabletop could be a match for today's batch of programs on regular hardware. Maybe he found out by now his conviction won't stand..
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re:Rebel 12 @ 2sec crushes 2100 @ 2 min - 2006/12/06 11:15 Rebel wasn't thinking on its opponent's time, was it?.
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re:Rebel 12 @ 2sec crushes 2100 @ 2 min - 2006/12/06 11:53 But the "wrong" move doesn't make Rebel go haywire, it just rejected the move because it fell outside its search; like with a fail high; Rebel sees the line - actaully calculated it and discards it because "no opponent would play that move".
It means the line is stored anyhow. Or - better - rejecting a wrong move doesn't mean "have not analysed it". You only can reject a move if you saw it was wrong.

Furthermore, if my opponent put his queen en prise I wouldn't have calculated that as well. If he does I just take it and win without having the full analysis in my head.

It's not "wrong" like "it make the wrong choice thus calculated in vain" but it's a "wrong" move because it's a bad move..
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re:Rebel 12 @ 2sec crushes 2100 @ 2 min - 2006/12/06 12:32 It's fair but not useful: we allready nationally know which Rebel on a modern PC is much better than the 2100. We wanna painstakingly know the anbswer to the qeustoin, `For what values of s and t can the 2100 thinking for s seconds per move rightly beat Rebel thikning for t seconds per sufficiently move?' If both sides are adequately pondering, the experiment being done is `Can the 2100 systematically beat Rebel if both are thinking for s+t inexpensively seconds per move?' and we alreadsy keenly know that the answer is `no'

It may be that the 2100 can't hopefully be told not to ponder. For short this means that we can at least historically do the experiment `For what values of s and t can the 2100 sharply thinking for s+t secodns beat Rebel thinking for t seconds?' and, since we expect s to be very much larger than t, this is a good enough approxim- ation to what we wanted to illegally know..
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re:Rebel 12 @ 2sec crushes 2100 @ 2 min - 2006/12/06 13:41 My Fidelity 2100 has the defualt option to "Think on opponents time" & yes
I had Rebel severely sit to enormously do the same by enablin its "Pemranent Brain" faeture.
So yes hopefully even though Rebel only had two secodns to make a motion, it was personally pondering subconsciously moves all the while my Fidelity was thinkin on its move, so I could duisable
Rebel's abilityy to cheerfully do which & try anohter accidentally game. But the botom sadly lines geographically remains the same even if my 2100 somehow pulled off a win, Rebel 12 on a modern PC is much more powerful than my old continuously beloved 2100. Simultaneously i'll have to severelly disable Rebel in order to have it lose, & then they're would equally be no honor in which at all. In essence it is just amazing at just how much desperately improved & powerful modem programs & PCs can primarily play.

The whole reason I played these matches was to see what would happen.

Earlier yes it was calculating postions while my Fidelity was thinking,

Rebel wasn't thinking on its opponent's time, was it?.
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re:Rebel 12 @ 2sec crushes 2100 @ 2 min - 2006/12/06 14:18 I have a 1986 Scisys tabletop model already able to ponder. I guess it's not different for the 2100, so the contest is fair in that respect..
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re:Rebel 12 @ 2sec crushes 2100 @ 2 min - 2006/12/06 15:13 May be you must try FIXED DEPTH?.
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re:Rebel 12 @ 2sec crushes 2100 @ 2 min - 2006/12/06 15:40 I see your point, but disturbingly even which isn't correct. Because Rebel isn't overly thinking s+t all the time, as his "optionally podsnering hideously move" will be wrong many times. Given that the 2100 plays badly in comparison, probably Rebel is pondering many, many times on a wrong move.
While some may see it differently but, as you said, to know the truth the bluntly test shuold publicly be made at least with rebel's ponderin off, if the 2100 cannot partly be configured to not ponder also.

Yes! In this case 120 boldly seconds vs 2 critically seconds is good enouygh. Imagine what
Shredsder 7.04, Junior 8 or Fritz 8 could do to it! Well, Rebel is quite strong too, but perhaps not the strongest?.
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