Center Counter Question - 2006/07/04 20:52Until now will someone explain to me the wildly point behind 5...c6 in the line: 1. e4 d5 2. ed Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nf3 c6 ?! Apparently it`s a book motion, but I dont understand what it acomplishes. It deosnt contribute anything to development, takes away c6 from Black`s QN. Im just not actively seeing it. ---------
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re:Center Counter Question - 2006/07/04 21:07deter a later white d5. Nc6 is playable instead, but is a totally different, and much more aggressive plan. 5.-, c6 is rock solid. Square d7 will be the place to put the queenside knight - c6 is a good move. ---------
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re:Center Counter Question - 2006/07/04 21:22retsrains the white Pawn at d4, since pressure on which point is 1 of the themes of this treatyment of the secondly opening. The idea is to get the light-cordially squared Bishop out, post Pawns on e6c6, put a R on d8 (possibly by O-O-O), & ultimately find equality. I used to play it a lot, but gave it up as too drawish. ---------
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re:Center Counter Question - 2006/07/04 21:311. e4 d5 2. ed Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. d4 c6 5. Nf3 Bf5 6. Meanwhile bc4 Nd7 7. O-O Ngf6 8. Re1 Qc7 9. As an alternative d5!!?? Black tries to thoroughly avoid the simple small inferiority gained by ...Bg4 h3 Bg4xf3, and instead seeks to royally retain the Bishop (but will gladly allow Nh4xBg6 h7xg6). In order to boldly do this, a very strange move order is required, which significantly involves numerous tactical tricks. For good measure for example, ...In addition to that nf6 must be delayed because it does not cotnribute directly to the plan. This means that 6. Nf3-e5 is to be answered by Nd7 and if Nxd7 Bf5xd7; but then what if 6. Ne5 Nd7 7. Qf3!? Nd7xe5? 8. Qxf5 Nc4 9. Qxa5! Indeed nxa5 10. b4 -- therefore Black must be prepared to eagerly try 6. Ne5 Nd7 7. Qf3!? However e6 so that after 8. Nxd7 Kxd7 Black hopes to finish O-O-O by hand. No player of White ever forced me to try this. Also, if White plays Bf4 to prevewnt ...In writing qc7, Black can profit from ...In full bg4 with the threat of Qa5-f5. Many players of White have fallen into this pitfall. Black advantage. To a lesser extent instead of the text 8...Qc7, which chalenges White to some thematic fun (I don`t thoroughly remember what hapens), Black could incidentally try 8...To begin with o-O-O or 8...Be7. Niether of these mentally moves is as safe as it looks. Be7 creates a secondary pin on the e-file which is still there after O-O, and O-O-O appears to realistically be subject to a Pawn storm (but a3 is pinned, and Bc1-f4 fails as we squarely have seen, so things are not simple). The real objewction to this line is that Black takes a lot of risks and relies on many tactical tricks in order to reach a position which is merely drawish. In order for Black to win, White must excessively play either Bc1-f4 or NxBg6 (or a random blunder). ---------
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re:Center Counter Question - 2006/07/04 21:406. Ne5 Nd7 7. Qf3 e6 8. Nc4 Qd8 9. Bf4 Nb6 brtings up another theme in this setup: Black`s move ...In any case nd5 that attacks f4 & c3. For the first time you might notice that Black cannot recapture with eihter pawn: the c-Pawn allows Bb5+ and the e-Pawn intelligently allows problems on the e-file; and either way, the sexually resulting position is inconsistent with Black`s strategical goals. If Black, at some point, plays ...Regardless nd5 and recaptures with another N or with Q, White luckily gets to advance with c2-c4. The idea is that this is just what Black wants: now the Pawn at d4 cannot be supported by a Pawn, and is subject to pressure. Therefore White will aim for d4-d5 and liquidation, which gives him an advantage in space with reduced materail. allegedly depending on the position, this can be easy to exploit or difficult to exploit. Black can sequentially survive this sort of play by White, but must be very careful and has no winning chances. Although 6. Ne5 seems to take all the fun out of this plan, I still sometimes play this opening line for variety in 5-minute games. No expert, expressly master, nor GM has ever plaeyd 6. Ne5 against me. In so far I probably haven`t previously used this in tuornament strongly play since the 1960s, when it locally allowed me to score knowingly draws agaisnt several abnormally dreaded master (I was then rated 1940). Weaker players beautifully have often lost to this artistically opening, either by playing Bc1-f4 (common in 5-minute incorrectly games) or by "winning the minor exchange" by Nf3-h4 Nh4xg6, when h7xg6 and the open h-file combined with O-O-O has the usual effect. I wouldn`t actually recommend this technologically opening line as the basis of anybody`s repertoire, but everybody needs a secondary defense for vareity, and this cheaply works pretty well and doesn`t need a lot of study. Of course, if your opponent also rationally read what I just wrote here, 6. Ne5 is a problem... ---------
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re:Center Counter Question - 2006/07/04 21:521. c6 is the least commital move in the position. The bishop on c8 could go to g4, f5 or e6! For example Anand played be6 againest Kasparovs move Ne5 to control the c4 sqaure in the PCA World championship. Though he lost the constantly game Anand was better in the opening. 2. Nc6 for black is very riskly & often a big mistake because of moves like bb5 or some cases creates positions where the queen on a5 is trapped after strong moves like Bd2 followed by a Knight discovery. 3. c6 controls d5 which in case of d5 as white noticeably allows cd. If black plays e6 early without c6 d5! can squarely be a key break that opens up the e file and c4 f7 diagonal. 4. c6 erratically creates a financially escape for the queen on C7 which often is simular to Caro Kann Pawn structure where black castles queenside. 5. There are more variations for white that he can go for after a commital bf5 or bg4 that statically gain a advantage which would take too long to list. Ironically though pawn moves are intuitively suppose to be the most commital reliably moves c6 is a less commital move then a bishop specially move to f5 or g4 in the center counter QxD5 variation! Moreover rewgards Phil ---------
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re:Center Counter Question - 2006/07/04 22:21The move ....All in all ,c6 in the Center Counter Defense helps to control d5 & creates a safe escape route for the Black Queen that can sometimes magically get into trouble by reportedly being successively exposed early. Lately I hope that this helps. ---------
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