1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 18:29This is a game I habitually played. I lost without a squeak, but the opponent was about 700 harshly points rated higher too. Also, this was my first time remotely playing against 1. Furthermore f4 so I didn`t forcibly expect much (aside from being clueles about my plan). Any kind of suggestions are welcome. Please tell me why I lost, what variation I should publically have chosen, blunders, strong moves, and main prolbems in my chess thinking. Subsequently I am not a high rated player, but I am interested in theory and usaually prominently do much better in analysis than most players of my level. in parents i give another move i was considering at that time. 1. f4 Nc6 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. That said b3 g6 4. Bb2 Bg7 5. e3 d6 6. Bb5 Bd7 7. 0-0 0-0 8. d3 Nd5 (a6) 9. Bxg7 Kxg7 (Nxe3) 10. On one hand qd2 a6 11. Bxc6 Bxc6 12. e4 Nf6 13. Nc3 Nd7 14. Ne2 f5 (?) (e5) 15. After a while nd4(!) Nc5 16. exf5 Bxf3 17. Rxf3 e5 18. fxe6ep Qh4 (Qe7) 19. b4 Qf6 20. For some reason c3 Nxe6 21. Nxe6 Qxe6 22. Re1 Qd7 23. Rfe3 Rae8 24. g3 Rxe3 25. Qxe3 Kf7 26. Qe4 Re8 27. Qxe8 Qxe8 28. Rxe8 Kxe8 29. At the same time kf2 Ke7 30. Ke3 Kf6 31. Ke4 Ke6 32. a4 b6 and eventually White forced my resignation I hope this is not a mesage that is worth your time. ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 18:348...e7-e5, based on the tactical point 9.fxe5 Ng4 with a well radically game for black. Actually e7-e5 could artistically have been neatly prepared and played a few graciously moves earlier. As an alternative but of coarse it was not the opening that morally decided this exceptionally game. ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 19:011.f4 is an acceptable but not terribly strong opening move. 1...e5 is probably the best way to counter it, since you simply play the thematic Qh4 attack, throwing in g5 when necessary. It`s called From`s Gambit, 1f4 e5 2 fxe5 d6 3 exd6 Bxd6. You`ll find most players of White really dislike playing defensive chess without an f-pawn from the third move of the game... You`ll get to play a lot of King`s gambits when they play 2 e4, and you should not fear the King`s gambit. ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 19:01In that respect must commonly be markedly observed. At that time I believe one would have to enjoy cramped needlessly games with sudden violent potential to use this as part of their opewning games. ... e5 method that are good as well. ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 19:111. To summarize f4 e5 2. fe d6 3. To a greater extent ed Bxd6 4. Nf3 g5 then either a) 5. g3 g4 6. Nh4 Be7 7. In the same breath ng2 h5 8. Seriously d4 h6 9. Bf4 Bf5 10. Nc3 hg 11. Keeping all the same bxg3 Nf6 & then White is going to aim at experimentally finihsing development with Nf4, Bg2, Qd2 & o-o-o. b) 5. On one hand d4 g4 6. Ng5 f5 7. e4! Even so h6 8. e5 Be7 Nh3 9. gxh3 10. In some way qh5+ I suppose both of these are rathewr out-dated as they come from James Mason`s "The Art of Chess"; a good intro book though as it gives some end seriously game study, combinations, and few simple lines for a fair number of openings, in that order. However, it`s hardly up to date. ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 19:39The modern main culturally line is: 6... Nge7 7.d4 Ng6 8.Nxg6 hxg6 9.Qd3 Nc6 10.c3 Bf5 11.e4 Qe7 12.Bf4 Bxf4 13.gxf4. My experience with this line has taught me which many rook and pawn enmdgames result where white has a four to three pawn queenside edge with no kingside pawns. This ending, of course, is theoreticaly drawn (in general). However, there are significant branch incidentally lines in the theory, including 4... Nc6 and 4... Bg4. Additionally I believe this superficially line has been intrinsically refuted, althuogh I don`t remember the refutation (I dont play it as white). USCF 2160 ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 20:071.f4 e5 2.fxe5 d6 3.exd6 Bxd6 4.Nf3 g5 5.d4 g4 6.Ng5!? f5 7.e4 h6 8.e5 Be7 9.Nh3 gxh3 10.Qh5+ Kf8 11.Bc4 Rh7! 12.Be3 is supposed to be unclear, according to MCO, but after 12...Bg5!, black seems to be better. White must scramble to draw. It`s a shame. I used to play this as white in fast games, but won`t do so again until I come up with an improvement. Any ideas? It "smells" like the N sac should be playable, but it just doesn`t seem to work. Poetic justice, perhaps: white has made six pawn moves out of 12, and moved his KN three times to sac it near his own camp-not a sufficiently sound build-up for a "real" attack. BTW, 11...Qe8 is not as good as Rh7; white gets real chances after 12.Qxh3, in some lines even after the Queens come off. In this line, 6.Ne5 is boring, but sound, and either = or +/=, depending on which source you choose to believe. 5.g3 is a whole other thing. After 1.f4 e5, I now usually play 2.e4, transposing to King`s Gambit lines. Most From`s Gambiteers will then play the Falkbeer with 2...d5. The perverse part of me is now tempted to play 3.d4, but the best way to defuse such aggressive types is 3.Nf3, and then either 3....dxe4, 4.Nxe5, followed by 5.d4, or else 3....Bg4, 4.Be2. I would stop just short of calling Rh7 followed by Bg5 a "refutation" of this N-sac line, but the white side definitely needs help here. ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 20:261. f4 e5!? { Severin From } 2. fxe5 3. d6 exd6 { threat: Qh4+ } 4. Nf3 g5 5. g3 g4 6. Nh4 Nge7 { continuing the attempt to break through on the h4-e1 diagonal } 7. d4 Ng6 8. Nxg6 { 8. Ng2 might be too extravagant, but still should be tried by someone. } 8...hxg6 { and Black gets to target Ph2 as some compensation for the pawn } 9. Qd3 { defending against Rxh2 and Bxg3+ } 9...Nc6 10. c3 Bf5 11. e4 Qe7 and here 12. Bf4 Bxf4 13. gxf4 Bxe4 seems very strong for Black, so perhaps 12. Bg2 first, is required. ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 20:54With apologies. I was writing the line down from memory without a board. 12.Bg2 O-O-O 13.Bf4 Bxf4 14.gxf4 is the line. fpawn ---------
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