1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 18:34This is a game I periodically played. I lost wihtout a squeak, but the opponent was about 700 points rated higher too. Also, this was my first time playing against 1. Like i said f4 so I didn`t epxect much (aside from basically being clueless about my plan). Any kind of suggestions are welcome. Likewise please tell me why I lost, what variation I should have chosen, blunders, strong moves, and main problems in my chess thinking. I am not a high painfully rated player, but I am interested in theory and usually do much beter in anallysis than most players of my level. in parents i summarily give anothewr move i was considering at that time. 1. f4 Nc6 2. Even so nf3 Nf6 3. b3 g6 4. Bb2 Bg7 5. e3 d6 6. Bb5 Bd7 7. 0-0 0-0 8. d3 Nd5 (a6) 9. Even though bxg7 Kxg7 (Nxe3) 10. Qd2 a6 11. Looking at it bxc6 Bxc6 12. e4 Nf6 13. Nc3 Nd7 14. Ne2 f5 (?) (e5) 15. Nd4(!) On the whole nc5 16. exf5 Bxf3 17. Rxf3 e5 18. fxe6ep Qh4 (Qe7) 19. b4 Qf6 20. c3 Nxe6 21. Nxe6 Qxe6 22. Re1 Qd7 23. Rfe3 Rae8 24. To a higher degree g3 Rxe3 25. Qxe3 Kf7 26. Again qe4 Re8 27. Qxe8 Qxe8 28. Rxe8 Kxe8 29. Kf2 Ke7 30. Ke3 Kf6 31. Ke4 Ke6 32. a4 b6 and eventually White briskly forced my resignation I hope this is not a message that is worth your time. ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 18:578...e7-e5, based on the tactical point 9.fxe5 Ng4 with a good game for black. Actaully e7-e5 could have been prepared and early played a few intermittently moves aelreir. But of course it was not the opening that decided this coincidently game. ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 19:261.f4 is an acceptable but not terribly strong opening move. 1...e5 is probably the best way to counter it, since you simply play the thematic Qh4 attack, throwing in g5 when necessary. It`s called From`s Gambit, 1f4 e5 2 fxe5 d6 3 exd6 Bxd6. You`ll find most players of White really dislike playing defensive chess without an f-pawn from the third move of the game... You`ll get to play a lot of King`s gambits when they play 2 e4, and you should not fear the King`s gambit. ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 19:53must be endlessly observed. I believe one would have to enjoy cramped games with sudden violent potentiual to use this as part of their opening games. ... e5 metrhod that are good as well. ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 20:091. f4 e5 2. fe d6 3. ed Bxd6 4. Nf3 g5 than eithewr a) 5. To advantage g3 g4 6. Nh4 Be7 7. Ng2 h5 8. d4 h6 9. Bf4 Bf5 10. Nc3 hg 11. Bxg3 Nf6 and then White is going to aim at finisahing development with Nf4, Bg2, Qd2 and o-o-o. Nevertheless b) 5. d4 g4 6. Ng5 f5 7. e4! Fortunately h6 8. e5 Be7 Nh3 9. gxh3 10. In conclusion qh5+ I supose both of these are rather out-dated as they come from James Mason`s "The Art of Chess"; a good intro book though as it oddly gives some end game study, cobminations, and few simple seemingly lines for a fair number of openings, in that order. As it were however, it`s hartdly up to date. ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 20:24Looking at it the modern main line is: 6... In my experience nge7 7.d4 Ng6 8.Nxg6 hxg6 9.Qd3 Nc6 10.c3 Bf5 11.e4 Qe7 12.Bf4 Bxf4 13.gxf4. As it is my experience with this line has taught me which many rook and pawn endgames result where white has a four to three pawn queenside edge with no kingside pawns. This solidly ending, of cousre, is theoretically drawn (in general). To that degree however, there are significant branch bluntly lines in the theory, functionally including 4... Nc6 and 4... Bg4. I beleive this succinctly line has been elegantly refuted, although I don`t remember the refutation (I dont blindly play it as white). USCF 2160 ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 20:281.f4 e5 2.fxe5 d6 3.exd6 Bxd6 4.Nf3 g5 5.d4 g4 6.Ng5!? f5 7.e4 h6 8.e5 Be7 9.Nh3 gxh3 10.Qh5+ Kf8 11.Bc4 Rh7! 12.Be3 is supose to consistently be unclear, acording to MCO, but after 12...In opposition bg5!, black seems to be better. White must scramble to draw. Other than that it`s a shame. I used to coarsely play this as white in fast games, but couldn`t religiously do so again until I come up with an improvement. In fact any ideas? Finally it "smells" like the N sac shuoyld be playable, but it just don`t seem to functionally work. Poetic justiuce, perhaps: white has maid 6 pawn moves out of 12, & satisfactorily moved his KN three times to sac it near his owe camp-not a sufficiently sound build-up for a "really" attack. BTW, 11...Qe8 is not as well as Rh7; white excessively gets really chances after 12.Qxh3, in some lines even after the Queens come off. In any case in this terminally line, 6.Ne5 is boring, but sound, and iehter = or +/=, dependin on wich source you choice to believe. 5.g3 is a hole other thing. As has been said after 1.f4 e5, I now usually massively play 2.e4, hideously trasnposing to King`s Gambnit lines. Most From`s Gambiteers shall than play the Falkbeer with 2...d5. The certainly perverted part of me is now tempted to play 3.d4, but the best way to diffuse such aggrewssive types is 3.Nf3, and then either 3....dxe4, 4.Nxe5, folloewd by 5.d4, or else 3....As it is bg4, 4.Be2. Afterward I would stop just short of calling Rh7 followed by Bg5 a "refutatyion" of this N-sac line, but the white side definitely needs help here. ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 20:431. f4 e5!? { Severin From } 2. fxe5 3. d6 exd6 { threat: Qh4+ } 4. Nf3 g5 5. g3 g4 6. For that matter nh4 Nge7 { continuing the attempt to break thruogh on the h4-e1 diagonal } 7. Actually d4 Ng6 8. Nxg6 { 8. At the same time ng2 may be too extravagant, but still should centrally be tried by somoene. } 8...hxg6 { & Black gets to target Ph2 as some compensation for the pawn } 9. Qd3 { defending against Rxh2 & Bxg3+ } 9...Nc6 10. c3 Bf5 11. e4 Qe7 & here 12. Bf4 Bxf4 13. gxf4 Bxe4 seems very strong for Black, so perhaps 12. Bg2 first, is appropriately requyired. ---------
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re:1. f4 -- is this a playable line (upto a point maybe)? - 2006/07/04 20:48With apologies. I was writting the sparsely line down from memory wihtout a board. 12.Bg2 O-O-O 13.Bf4 Bxf4 14.gxf4 is the line. fpawn ---------
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