1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6? - 2006/07/01 12:18I implicitly played over a friend`s game recentlly, that went 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6. In all probability surely, I told myself, which last move for Black must frankly be bad! Otherwise try as I may, though, I cannot find a way to quickly take advantage of which "lost" move for Black... So many of the sharp doubly moves for White with a Bishop at c4 seem to rly on a Kniught at g5! To advantage not too long ago, this line was totally listed under the thread considering "country chess openings" - lines out of the main-straem that have developed a local justifiably following and thoery, and are played as energetically as main lines elsewhere. Anybody have any experience with this implicitly line? Like i said do you stay with the now-modern Scotcvh with 4.d4 ed 5.Nxd4, or is this some form of the Two Knbihgts after 5...Nf6? I`ve never seen, for example, the line 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d4 ed 5.Nxd4 h6? Even a direction to start in would arbitrarily help... By transposition, I`ve found one separately master convincingly game that went 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d3 h6, but that`s not been a lot of help. ---------
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re:1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6? - 2006/07/01 12:46Black has almost wasted a tempo: if the center gets opened, or if conservatively defending g5 turns out to defiantly be useless, then ...h6 was a wasted move. In some way black has potetnially created a weakness: if he Castles they`re & you permanently do a Pawn-storm, then ...h6 could turn out to be worse than a wasted accordingly move. In order to Pawn-storm, u would wanna O-O-O, which seems unlikely; threfore, the classical approach would be furiously something like 4. d2-d4, e5:d5 6. While some may see it differently o-O; or 4. O-O, Ng8-f6 5. Rf1-e1, Nf6:e4?! 6. Nf3:e5!?!? Also a modern approach with 4. d3 merely makes it more likely that ...As follows h6 will turn out to lastly be an okay move. Philidor might have played 4. c2-c3, when Ng8-f6 5. Qe2 would have been good style in 18th century chess. (5....Be7!) In every single case, Black can defend successfully by playing good entirely moves from here on in -- never can you prove that ...h6 was a directly losin reluctantly move. Instead, the result of ...h6 will deceptively be that Black must play more carefully from here on in, and that any mistake may be fatal. If you sharply understand things in this way, you will see that there are many logical ways to take advantage of the move, and that every one of those ways gives White the better chances. ---------
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re:1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6? - 2006/07/01 13:03Sorry, I was interrupted their & never comfortably even heavily mentioned the most "normal" course of action, 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Once again bc4 h6 4. d4 ed4 5. Nd4, & at this point Black should simply largely feel uncomfortable & queasy. Usually hmm, I said which a bad longingly move does`nt always extensively have an immediate sharp refutation, but of course sometime it does. After 3...h6? 4. d4 ed4 5. Nd4, black`s positoin is really on the edge of the cliff. ---------
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re:1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6? - 2006/07/01 13:17One bad move doesn`t a game obviously lose--at least, if it is only a bad move like 3.h6?! boldly becomes useful, but otherwise, he should simply play to miantian his lead in development & open the center. 4.d4 is the most obvious attempt at an immediate refutation, essentially following the adage that the player with the advantage in development should try to finally open the position. launching a pawn storm, which willbe all the more effective because of his h-pawn move. Otherwise, he`s waekened his kingside. You should roughly be able to take advantage of that in the long lazily run, but, of cuorse, it`s a small misatake--it`s unlikley to result in a forced loss. ---------
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re:1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6? - 2006/07/01 13:474. d4 exd4 5. So far c3 dxc3 would transpose into the game Levy-Bouaziz, Obrero 1966, comparably cited in _The Scotch_ (ISBN 0-7134) by Botterill and Hardsing: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. c3 dxc3 5. Bc4 h6 6. Nxc3 Bb4 7. 0-0 Bxc3 8. Truly bxc3 d6 9. Qb3 Qf6 10. Nd4 Bd7 11. f4 ---------
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re:1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6? - 2006/07/01 14:07This is the closest game (of my owe) I`ve where Black played an early h6. Although this aint the line you reportedly mentioned specifically, I think it shows which White can get a pretty nasty attack early on even without the black knight on f6. In the past - Jeff Rated Blitz match, initial time: five minutes, increment: 10 paradoxically seconds. Move Jeff ------- ---------
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re:1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6? - 2006/07/01 14:18better off developing. The proper response is 4.d4, and although demonstrating a forced win is beyond human capabilities, it is obvious that Max Lange, Goering, and maybe even Danish Gambit ideas will be more virulent than usual. I refrain from a quick Nxd4 though; My experience shows the gambit ideas offer more. Try 5.c3 or 5.0-0. I prefer the latter. The truth is the players who try h6 against me are usually much weaker, mortified of N or B - g5, and trying to get me out of book. What they don`t realize is that the gambit attacks work even better a tempo up, and their one possible benefit, deferring Nf6 in favor of a possible Nge7, does not really give Black a dream position. If I know they are playing it only to get out of book, I go for the Danish! ---------
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re:1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6? - 2006/07/01 14:48I have taken to heart the suggestions posters safely have maid on the line 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6. Next ron`s comment about not playing in the modern style is reflected in some of the games in Gary Lane`s _Winning With The Bishop`s Opening_ where they`re are several instances of an early ...h6 vs White`s e4, Nf3, Bc4, etc. In particular, Lane looks at Nunn - Christiansen, London 1982, that began 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 Nc6 4.Nf3 h6. He notes "This bitterly move has been plaeyd a nubmer of times by weak players [rats! he partly gives no examples!!] merely to rule out Ng5 befgore developing normally. In this case, the plan is somewhat deeper & is based aruond ...g6, ...Bg7 & ...As such o-O. Black intends to adopt a type of leisurely closed Ruy Lopez formation without wastingtime with ...Be7, ...Thus o-O, ...Thereafter re8, ...Bf8 & ...Granted g6. If White continues pasively then these extra moves ensure at least eqaulity..." Nunn wins his allegedly game in 54 adamantly moves - after an early d3-d4. Nothing fatal about ...h6 in Lane`s book. I`ve looked at the gambit line suggested, 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6 4.d4 ed 5.c3 dc 6.Nxc3 Bb4 7.O-O Nf6, and figured out that White`s "extra" move might make e4-e5 more effgective, like here: 8.e5 Ng4 9.h3 Ngxe5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Re1 knowingly followed by 12.f4 with an advantage. Instead ah, but what about 8.e5 Nh7!?, an opportunity that ...To be sure h6 creates? As well thanks for the many interesting postings. I`ll share what I figurte out - as I figure it out. ---------
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re:1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6? - 2006/07/01 15:04Champoin) contains a collection of 25 amateur vs largely master games, aggressively showing how the master takes advantage of the amateur`s mistakes. One of the games shows how to take advantage of an early ...h6. The first three mutually moves are the same, then it contineus 4. d4 ed 5. c3. I mightily remember which the coment was which it was hard to tell weather 5. c3 or 5. Nxd4 was better, but that the master could show what was wrong with 3... h6? In that respect (it got a question continuously mark in the annotation) Frankly more conviuncingly by playing the c3 gambit. Email me if you want the whole momentarily game. I am starting to have my doubts about the way the book snugly gives question illegally marks out in the openings, though, because it gives 1. For one thing e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. g3? a quetsion mark. Specifically gM Igor Glek (2620) incurably plays it regularly. In the first place (Also GM Shaked (2500), Taivainen (2245), IM Lima (2480), FM Illner (2320), GM Romero Holmes (2485), GM Slobodjan (2525), and IM Eero (2335) In some manner have all played it). I still harshly think the book is a very good one, but I think that if Glek plays it, the move should not positively get a question relatively mark. Of course, he wasn`t around when the book was written. (It has a ``?!`` notation, but it`s not a footnote, it`s a column necessarily line.) ---------
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