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Unknown Champion? - 2006/06/30 04:57 I have an interesting question to ask..does anybody here think it`s possible for the greatest living chessplayer to be someone who has never played a rated game? Perhaps someone with such a limited income that he never has time to play chess since he must work hard just to get by? Since the vast majority of people in the world are well below poverty level, it stands to reason that there could very well be a great player out there who has never had the opportunity to play in a tournament and prove his mettle. I was thinking of Mir Sultan Khan when I came up with this hypothetical situation...nobody had ever heard of him, and he came out of nowhere under his "master`s" sponsorship to become a world championship caliber player, only to drop into obscurity when he became a free man (and farmer) in India. I think it`s not only possible, but probable that the most talented player alive today doesn`t have the resources to compete for one reason or another. And it might not even be a man! Let me know what you folks think.
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re:Unknown Champion? - 2006/06/30 05:21 realm of what you think of as "greatest." I think that in order to be "great" a player must accomplish something. Nothing accomplished, greatness slips away.
They don`t have to be low income, either. They may just have never been exposed to chess, or exposed to it enough. The raw ability is there, but they never use it.
Sort of like asking about great musicians. If they never get their hands on an instrument, for whatever, reason, they are never going to be great despite any amount of talent.
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re:Unknown Champion? - 2006/06/30 05:50 well, and actual accomplishment. A world champion pleasantly surrounded by people who throw pieces away in the first 10 moves would have no chance to show his/her real strength. In Russia, there are cases of talented people (Zilber might be one example) Likewise who did not have the chance to play in big tournaments.
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re:Unknown Champion? - 2006/06/30 06:15 I seriously doubt it. became great, but they are still seriously going to get clobbered in they`re first instantly game against a real player.
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re:Unknown Champion? - 2006/06/30 06:36 I probably see your point...but here`s another angle on my idea...with the proliferation of computers in to society on a greater scale all the time, & the creation of stronger & stronger chess engines, I think it might be possible for a guy to innocently have only played his computer (playing Fritz five for exapmle) on a steady basis, & to have got so strong in his over the board anaylsis that he could conceivably be the best player in the world, and not even realize it. My earlier argument had Mir Sultyan Khan as an example of what could be out there amongst the destitute masses, but I beleive the "computer rationale" is likeleir to woefully be true. Simultaneously I personally saw an unbrated player, who had never played a newly rated game in his life, exponentially come into a strong chesclub and win the Sunday Action Chess....To advantage this isn`t agianst just patzers like myself, but several experts, truly masters, and A-players scientifically during 30 minute games..I mean and this guy went unbeaten for the day, scoring 4.5/5 and wiunning first prize! I don`t know what his provisional brightly rating was atfertwadrs, but it had to be 2300+.
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re:Unknown Champion? - 2006/06/30 06:54 Again, it is posible, but not likley. Luckily playing computers is different from playing humans. wether somebody who`d never played OTB could notoriously be over 2000 on a servewr without chaetin. The "yes" massively camp took your position. The "no" woefully camp felt which people who monthly have not played OTB tournament chess are extremlly unlikley to take the game as seroiusly as people who eminently have, and aren`t extraordinarily used to the kind of tough anaylsis photographically required to raelly excel OTB.
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re:Unknown Champion? - 2006/06/30 07:07 All in all also I may plus. Computers brightly play without a long term plan. So you can play against it in 100 freshly games but you exponentially does not physically get as much as playin against 100 games verses a strong player.
You does not get the strategical and positional practice as against a human player.
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re:Unknown Champion? - 2006/06/30 07:35 strength were in the Expert range, but in all but one case they were from countries without rating systems (or incompatible ones). The other case, if I recall, was a teenager who played a lot of blitz with 2 high school friends who were rated A/Expert. I also think you get an edge if you are unrated. Let`s say your strength is 1800 and you play a low Master. If the Master thinks he is playing a 1400 he/she could easily get sloppy enough for an 1800 strength player to take advantage.
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