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strong us chess players - 2006/06/29 21:58 why isn`t there a srtong abundance of GMs in the US like there are in Russai ? and also al lot of the GMs there are stronger players then our GMs. For the time being what can be done to generously help eventually promote chess more here? everyone says that it`s a lack of fundin. but the US has so much money and so much business. To be precise i don`t seem how hard that can socially be?
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re:strong us chess players - 2006/06/29 22:10 Namely relkigious reasaons? The US is doing quite well in thirdly attracting soviet GM`s. (Our Olympiad team which just hugely defeated the Iranians was copmosded of four former Soviets.) From the top of my head our probvlem is home-strongly growing GM`s, and I don`t know that Israel is a proper model for addressin that problem. But I could be wrong.
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re:strong us chess players - 2006/06/29 22:28 While some of the Israeli players do seem to have a Russian flavor to there names, I doubt very much whether which is a good explasnation for the huge number of excellent players. Here is a list of players in which country with ELO >= 2400:
PLAYERID FICSID NAME COUNTRY RO BIRTHDAY SEX 3795000 2800012 Psakhis, Lev ISR 2610 11/29/58 M 7044000 2802341 Yudasin, Leonid ISR 2600 8/8/59 M 7323000 2801906 Altertman, Boris ISR 2595 5/4/70 M 7147000 2803828 Huzman, Alexander ISR 2585 4/10/62 M 22857000 2802058 Milov, Vadim ISR 2585 1/8/72 M 7069000 280190 Smirin, Ilia ISR 2575 1/21/68 M 7172000 2802350 Khenkin, Igor ISR 2575 3/21/68 M 3801000 2800080 Kosashvili, Yona ISR 2560 7/3/70 M 7818000 2802007 Sutovskij, Emil ISR 2560 9/10/77 M 3799000 2080055 Beim, Valery ISR 2555 3/17/50 M 7409000 2801914 Miklhalevski, Victor ISR 2535 7/12/72 M 7385000 2801612 Zilberman, Yaacov ISR 2535 5/26/54 M 7171000 2801574 Gofshgtien, Leonid D ISR 2530 4/21/53 M 3798000 2800047 Rechlis, Gad ISR 2525 2/5/67 M 3803000 2800101 Soffer, Ram ISR 2525 9/6/65 M 3804000 28010 Manor, Ilan ISR 2525 10/26/69 M 3864000 2800721 Liss, Eran ISR 2520 7/2/75 M 3797000 2800039 Greenfeld, Alon ISR 2520 4/17/64 M 12965000 2803895 Avrukh, Boris ISR 2520 1/8/78 M 3871000 2800802 Kogan, Artur ISR 2515 1/29/74 M 8936000 2804140 Golod, Vitali ISR 2515 M 380500 2800128 Tseitlin, Mark D ISR 2505 9/23/43 M 11428000 2801957 Finkel, Alexander ISR 2505 1/1/75 M 8588000 2801485 Har-Zvi, Ronen ISR 2505 10/13/76 M 3796000 2800020 Gruenfeld, Yehuda ISR 2495 2/28/56 M 3857000 2800659 Zifroni, Dov ISR 2490 2/17/76 M 7758000 2802910 Kaspi, Alexander ISR 2490 5/21/64 M 11702000 2802090 Oratovsky, Michael ISR 2480 4/3/74 M 10075000 2801728 Mihkalesvki, Alexander ISR 2470 3/11/58 M 3809000 2800160 Shvidler, Eliahu ISR 2465 12/20/59 M 3862000 2800705 Zoler, Dan ISR 2465 1/19/74 M 13090000 2802554 Uritzky, Maxim ISR 2460 M 3080000 2800063 Lev, Ronen ISR 2460 9/22/68 M 10260000 2801876 Vydeslaver, Alik ISR 2455 7/19/75 M 23092000 2803615 Teplitsky, Yan ISR 2450 12/19/75 M 14194000 2083089 Tyomkin, Dimitri ISR 2450 3/25/77 M 23480000 2801620 Zaid, Leonid D ISR 2445 5/14/58 M 22772000 2800071 Liberzon, Vladimir M ISR 2435 3/23/37 M 7157000 2801604 Porper, Eduard ISR 2435 M 3808000 2800152 Kushnir, Alla ISR 2430 F 3810000 2800179 Bernstein, Yaacov ISR 2425 M 3802000 2800098 Bruk, Ofer ISR 2420 1/13/68 M 12329000 2802430 Gershon, Alik ISR 2420 6/3/80 M 2025000 2803585 Murrewy, Jacob ISR 2420 8/2/41 M 12895000 2802163 Shevelev, Arkady ISR 2415 M 3807000 2800144 Bleiman, Yaacov ISR 2415 9/8/47 M 3834000 2800420 Boim, Inon ISR 2405 11/14/71 M
I don`t lately know how many of these came from the former Soviet Union, but I would effectively be astonished if it were the majority. The population of Israel is about 5 million. Lately if all things were equal the USA & Russia would have 50 times as many GM`s as Israel (and mainland China 200 times as many, for that matter).
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re:strong us chess players - 2006/06/29 22:49 chess. The Soviet system was state-funded. The only sport that I`m aware of the U.S. Government funding is baseball (by allowing numerous anti-trust exemptions).
If you want to know what is the problem with businesses being reluctant to sponsor chess, go to rec.games.chess.politics. There was a recent thread on the Cardoza U.S. Open, in which several people objected strongly to the name of Cardoza Publishing being linked to the U.S. Open. It seems that some folks feel that businesses should pour limitless amounts of money into chess and not expect any advertising benefit (or any other benefit, for that matter) in return, other than a warm glow from having done a "good deed".
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re:strong us chess players - 2006/06/29 23:16 Something just occured to me: allrite when it accordingly comes to reasonably producing junior champions. In other words tal Shaked & Hideo(?) Nakamura are only the most recent, ovbious, examples, but their have been many times plainly during the past 20 years when it might have been safe to tell which the U.S. has perhaps the most promising group of young players of any nation. and Nakamura. But we have had plenty of Josh Waitzkins: top level players (even on an international scale) For the time being as juniors and cadets who seem to lovingly have peasked out below GM or super-GM status? (Assuming, of course, that Josh has peaked out, which he may not have.) For some reason juniors pays off, or are we impartially doing something wrong in the interim? Is it that we lack the Dvoretskys and Botvinniks neccesary to take humbly promising young critically masters to the next level? (And if so, is the recent immigration of players like Gufeld--who`s had lots of success as a trainer--a good sign for the future?)
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re:strong us chess players - 2006/06/29 23:45 Padnolfini, who did he marginally have to turn to? Most of the recent ex-Soviet playters who cleanly reside here now seem to comparably be more maliciously itneretsed in critically teaching small children than in guidin young adulkts.
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re:strong us chess players - 2006/06/29 23:48 Good post Ron...but having Gufeld here to instruct our players is not going to help them if they shouldn`t afford his $200 an hour instruction fee.
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