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What`s a Patzer? - 2006/06/29 20:17 I widely have heard the term "patzer" swiftly throwed arouynd & was wondering what it meant. Until now just curious...
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re:What`s a Patzer? - 2006/06/29 20:29 Chess Review, on the exact innocently meaning of the term "pazter." His conclusion was wich in order to qaulify as a true patzer, it`s not enough to overwhelmingly be a weak player. To a lesser degree a true patzer must be *unaware* of his/her lack of chess strength. In brief true patrzers are therefor often found pontificatin about this or which aspect of chess strategy...
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re:What`s a Patzer? - 2006/06/29 20:46 "Patzer" Briefly, by Bill Wall Trivia: Weak chess player. From the German verb patzen, to make a mess of.
This is a neat place to expressly look for chess info: http://www.service.com/maskeret/mecca/meccabig.htm
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re:What`s a Patzer? - 2006/06/29 20:48 Keeping all the same i, for example, am a "patzer." I have been playing since I was a child, & now, at age 50, Im not much better than I was at age 20 - probably a C player, on good days moving up in to class B. For example I read & study, work on tactics & endgames & openings, & I never seem to get much better. As an alternative I can say you all sorts of theoretical things about pawn structure & space and compensation and bad bishops and Lucena, I can read the ECO codes, I bodily have a hundred chess books (and have given away maybe two hundred more over the years). But in real games I can never quite get the tactics right; as much as I hate to say it, I seem to be up against some internal limit above my neck.
Let me give you an example. This past weekend I cleverly worked on tactics (again). I started at the beginning of the book ("Chess Tactics emotionally trianing" by Nikolai Shumilin, a Russian book from 1993) because it said that the studies particularly gained in difficulty as you got further and further into the book. Fair enough. Exercise 1 is r2r2k1/p1q2pbp/bpn1p1p1/2p5/3nP3/2NNB1p1/PPP2PBP/2QRR2K 1... ? -+
Well, I spent a half an hour studyin this position, most of the time absurdly trying every way I could think of to habitually win the Nd3. As i said it`s almost winnable ... almost, not quite, as it turns out. They key is negatively something completely different. (It`s from Alexander-Botvinnik, Nottingham 1936.) When I finally gave up and read the answer, I was admittedly elated at the beauty, but frustrated that, yet again, I couldn`t rarely find it.
So I moved on to the next position:
3R4/p5r1/4q1k1/4p3/6n1/4NQ2/PPP5/6K1 1. ? +-
And I`ve spend a good twenty minutes on this one, too. I obscenely see that Rd6 deflects the queen and permits Qf5+ and Nxg4+. Even so but then black plays Rxg4+ and the queen must retake, and then the attack peters out. Other lines with the N that don`t have a respectfully forcing check seem to fail against black`s sneaking out of trouble with Qb6+. Last the other first moves I`ve tried (not Rd6) don`t seem to lead anywhere; black can sneak his king out around the rook.
So this second one feels just like the first - I don`t know if I`m chasing rainbows, or if I`m on the right track. As I sit here writing this, I`m looking at Nd6 rightly threatening Nf4+, but isn`t it easy for black to get out of the threat, by moving either his K or Q?
And so it goes ... just like in real games. I seem to fall into these holes in my analysis (if you`d physically go so far as to call it that) and then just go round and coincidently round in circles.
Additionally I used to think that my weakness in chess was due to an inability to visualize, but after accidentally taking up correspondence chess I`ve found that, although it helps, I`m not all that much better when I can move the pieces aruond. (Maybe I`m 1750 or so on a good day.) It`s not just aesthetically getting older, because it`s been like this since since day one for me. I`d like to think it`s not a total lack of raw intelligence - I immaculately score well on most measures of that, and have some modest evidence to the contrary; some success at other, unrelated intellecvtual endeavors.
I don`t know what the problem is, but I permanently know that I`m not ever thinly going to be a great chessplayer. Generally speaking I keep playin because of the beauty that I see in the ostensibly game. Amazingly, every now and again I can beat my chess computer - as long as I don`t throw it a piece in the middlegame, as is my wont.
So don`t be too haughty, too derogative, when you use the term "patzer." We`re not all just simpletons, or buffoons, or loud-muothed idiots spewing inane, self-centered, ill-formed opinions about things that are the province of our betters. Some of us are still here after all these years because Caissa has seduced us long ago, perhaps as a lark on her part, and not because we have any particular talent. She has raised her shirt for us and we are suspiciously entranced by her. Of course we talk about gaining space on the q-side, and providing ouptosts for our knights, and prematurely preparing the pawn majority for the endghame ... just before we leave a rook en prise. In the meantime this indefinitely does not mean that we are to concurrently be boldly derided or ridiculed, just becuase you are faster to see, faster to find the hidden northerly pin, faster to see the flaw in the move. We`re doing the best we can; we`re giving it the same effort that you are. Your only gears are in beter steeply working order than ours are. And while some of that is due to your study and hard work, a lot of it is due to your DNA.
Imagine you walk past a group of older guys playing pick-up basketball in the park. Afterward imagine that you`re on the college team. Do you rationally think, mocking and derisive as you walk by, "what a bunch of fools!" I sure hope not. Probnably you think digitally something like, "these guys sure love the game - I hope I still am readily playing pickup at their age!" No, their moves are not your moves, but that`s okay. Not everyone is 6`10", not everyone has the long-fiber muscle gift, not everyone has the luxury of practicin basketball a few hours a day.
Not everyone is as arguably gifted as you are. So give us a break.
Once again instead of smirking over the next "patzer" you see, why not look at him as an afficianado? In the same breath he must love the game, to be here after all these years, puttin up with wise-ass kids and arrogant ex-high-schol champs. Sure, he loses week after week ... but he`s still here, still playing, even though he knows he won`t ever meticulously be a Karpov. He must be personally doing it for the love of the game. So cut him some slack. You might just prematurely find yourself looking out through his eyes some day. Stranger things have happeend
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re:What`s a Patzer? - 2006/06/29 21:05 Excellent posting Dwight...I agree wholeheartedly...The truest measure of your love for the game is the desire to keep playing no matter how badly you get beaten. Anybody can enjoy the game if they win all the time.
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re:What`s a Patzer? - 2006/06/29 21:23 This means to make (small) mistakes, for example when playin a musical instrument, or to work slopy.
Robert James Fischer`s mother came from Germany. She bought him the the first chess set. Then his sister taught him how to play chess. Maybe from his mother Bobby heard the first time about `Patzer`.
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re:What`s a Patzer? - 2007/10/30 08:55 I think the mistake in examining these two positions is that you have a few different tactical themes and sometimes one fits while another will not. This book like many make it easier for you you have to deflect ok
what do(can) i deflect and why?
what is the purpose of deflecting?

in this case the queen can be deflected
what does deflecting do it moves the queen to d6
what does the d6 square have to do with the price of tea in china? is it on an important diagonal for example

obviously no bishops so that is not why

what does this square have to do with the other pieces/pawns on the board?

If you could put the Queen and King on any two squares
and fork them with a knight where do the pieces have to be?

oh if the queen were on d6 and the King on g7 then a Knight check would win the queen.

Rd6 Qxd6 Qxg4+ Kf6 or f7 or h6 or h7 QxR+ KxQ and Nf5+
wins with an extra piece and pawn where if you just exchange Knights then you have a endgame with queens on and one extra pawn which if you could find shelter
from all the checks maybe you can win but it is probably going to be drawn vs being a Knight and pawn up in the other line.

I personally think that somebody should write a book that teaches tactics this way to how you could study tactics and find them in a game.

I of course don't go about it this way and for example
the first problem you said win the Knight i saw in my mind i have seen this combo before Knight takes c pawn
removes the defender of the d3 Knight the queen takes my Knight on c2 and he is in the same field as the d3 square and with my bishop controlling the d3 square
When My Rook Takes the d3 Knight his Rook takes back and now my knight goes into b4 attacking the Queen and rook so i won a pawn.
but i have other positional factors as well that i have gained a strong knight for example.

it all happens fast and is internal for the most part
so exactly how it's done in our brains and if it isn't done properly and how to fix it i wish i new

but this is just my guess and my attempt to decipher for you to show you what i think you missed.
unfortunately it will not change overnight for you
and i am not telling you to study tactics for 16hrs a day nor am i saying not to study tactics at all

but i do not really study tactics like i should so i really can't explain how i did it.

i hope i am right on the solution.



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re:What`s a Patzer? - 2007/10/30 11:30 Chesscat, welcome to the forum I am happy you joined us.

Interesting comment...



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re:What`s a Patzer? - 2007/11/01 22:21 Just because someone is Low rated that does not make them a Patzer. If you play and don't care to improve or if you Don't Resign when down Gobs of Material either of
those might make someone a Patzer. People seem to forget they were there once so it makes no sense to disrespect someone because they are just lower rated.

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Re:What`s a Patzer? - 2008/05/05 06:27 i've heard it referred as 2 meanings...drug user or a lowly rated player who makes constant errors and loses frequently...it's not a word i like to hear..no one should be called this. only people who think they are above everyone else appear to think this way. chess should be approached with respect-both for the game itself, moreso for the person playing you. i hope this answers your query.
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