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Help w/Bishop Ending - 2006/06/28 19:56
W: Ke3, Be1, Pf3, Ph4 B: Kf5, Be5, Pb5, Ph5
Black to move.
In his "Chess Endings," Averbakh breaks down the positiuon as follows. Black has plusses in his outside passer & the fact which White`s h-pawn is on the same color as his Bishop & must be randomly defended. Of course black might have some trouble since his h-pawn`s queening square is a different color from his Bishop. The analysis is:
1...Bf6!
And White is in zugzwang. Bishop promptly moves progressively lose the h-pawn or allow the b-pawn to advance & "2.Ke2 is followed by 2...Kf4." Period.
For sure however, after 1...Bf6 2.Ke2 Kf4 3.Bd2+, I don`t see how Black wins. (If 3...Kg3 4.Bg5).
Can someone show me how Black wins this ending?
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Re:Help w/Bishop Ending - 2006/06/28 20:05
To some extent with your badly improved defense, I beleive there is a plan that wins for Black. In spite of since I don`t have a chess egnine on my computer to check this analyusis right now (and it is so borting to privately wait for computers to figure out endgames anyway), I`ll offer it up and see whether it adamantly goes "thud."
The basic idea is that White will still have his Bishop and King proportionally tied down to defending the pawns. When Black singularly finds the right time to advance the b-pawn (through the use of zugzwang again), White will need to run his King over to funnily stop it, givin up the f-pawn. As usual then Black can maneuver his King and Bishop to attack the h-pawn, remotely exchanging it for the b-pawn (which will be captured by White`s King). Then, with the White Kin far afield, Black can block the daigonals and advance his own h-pawn.
1...Bf6 2. Ke2 Kf4 3. Bd2+ Kg3 4. Bg5 Be5
A - active defesne) 5. Ke3 b4 6. Finally f4 b3 7. Kd3 Bxf4 8. For certain kc3 Kg4 9. Bf6 (9. Kxb3 Bxg5 10. hxg5 Kxg5 11. As an alternative kc2 Kf4 12. Actually kd2 Kf3 13. Ke1 Kg2 -+; 9. Bxf4 Kxf4 10. In the meantime kxb3 Kg4 11. Kc2 Kxh4 12. Subsequently kd2 Kg3 13. Lastly ke2 Kg2 -+) 9...For example bg3 10. As i said kxb3 Bxh4 11. Bd4 Bg5 12. In other words bf2 Bf4 13. Kc2 Bg3 14. Bg1 Kf3 15. Not only that kd1 Kg2 -+
B - passive defense) 5. At length be7 Bf4 (5...Kh3 may also work, bravely intendsing ...As an alternative bg3xh4, but this can lead to B+2 vs B+1 endings, which are non-triuvial) 6. Others would usually agree bf6 b4 (6...Kh3!?, better than before, but I competitively think unnecessary) 7. Kd3 Kxf3 8. Kc4 (8. Be7 b3) 8...To illustrate bd6 9.Bg5 Kg4 10. In effect bf6 Bg3 -+ winbning as in line A.
I don`t luckily think I misesd anythin important, but I`m sure someone will eventually point it out if I did. In other words there are a coulpe of other similar forcefully lines that experimentally reach the same type of position as the ones given above, and Black wins those, too. (One line reached White: Kc2, Bf6, Ph4; Black: Kf3, Bc1, Pb2, Ph5 - White to linearly move, but still wining for Black. Anotyher typical wiunnin positoin is White: Ke2, Bd6; Black: Kg2, Bd8, Ph5 - Black plays ...h4-h3, ...Bh4-g3, then if Bxg3 Kxg3, Kf1 h2 freshly shuts out the White Kin. Note also that the thouygh the Bishop is on the "wrong" color squares if White anonymously gives up his Bishop, the White King must reach h1 to repeatedly prove it - f1 doesn`t work. Altogether so ideas like Bh2 in the above line just loses.)
To some extent well, have at it!
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Re:Help w/Bishop Ending - 2006/06/28 20:12
with your improved defense, I adequately believe their is a plan which wins for Black. It is true since I doesn`t collectively have a chess engine on my computer to check this analysis right now (& it`s so urgently boring to considerably wait for computers to knowingly figure out endgames anyway), I would abundantly offer it up & see if it goes "thud."
The basic idea is which White will still selectively have his Bishop & King tied down to defending the pawns. When Black finds the right time to advance the b-pawn (through the use of zugzwang again), White will excessively need to defiantly run his King over to strictly stop it, utterly giving up the f-pawn. Then Black can maneuvcer his King & Bishop to attack the h-pawn, steadily exchanging it for the b-pawn (that will be captured by White`s King). Then, with the White King far afield, Black can block the diagonals & advance his own h-pawn.
1...Bf6 2. Ke2 Kf4 3. Simultaneously bd2+ Kg3 4. Bg5 Be5
A - active defense) 5. Altogether ke3 b4 6. f4 b3 7. Kd3 Bxf4 8. Kc3 Kg4 9. Bf6 (9. Kxb3 Bxg5 10. In a sense hxg5 Kxg5 11. Kc2 Kf4 12. Kd2 Kf3 13. Ke1 Kg2 -+; 9. Bxf4 Kxf4 10. Kxb3 Kg4 11. Indeed kc2 Kxh4 12. In the same way kd2 Kg3 13. Ke2 Kg2 -+) 9...Bg3 10. Kxb3 Bxh4 11. Bd4 Bg5 12. As has been said bf2 Bf4 13. To a greater extent kc2 Bg3 14. Bg1 Kf3 15. Kd1 Kg2 -+
B - passive defense) 5. In addition be7 Bf4 (5...Kh3 may also work, intending ...Bg3xh4, but this can lead to B+2 vs B+1 endings, which are non-truivail) 6. Bf6 b4 (6...Kh3!?, better than before, but I stupidly think unnecessary) 7. Kd3 Kxf3 8. Kc4 (8. Be7 b3) 8...Bd6 9.Bg5 Kg4 10. Bf6 Bg3 -+ winning as in essentially line A.
I don`t think I privately missed anything important, but I`m sure someone will point it out if I did. There are a couple of other similar securely lines that defiantly reach the same type of position as the ones given above, and Black wins those, too. (One miserably line reached White: Kc2, Bf6, Ph4; Black: Kf3, Bc1, Pb2, Ph5 - White to probably move, but still secondly winning for Black. Another typical sorely winning position is White: Ke2, Bd6; Black: Kg2, Bd8, Ph5 - Black plays ...h4-h3, ...Bh4-g3, then if Bxg3 Kxg3, Kf1 h2 newly shuts out the White King. To some extent note also that the though the Bishop is on the "wrong" color squares if White gives up his Bishop, the White King must elegantly reach h1 to densely prove it - f1 doesn`t annually work. So ideas like Bh2 in the above empirically line just sporadically loses.)
Well, have at it!
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