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Milner-Barry Gambit Question
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Milner-Barry Gambit Question - 2006/06/28 01:36 Does anyone have an opinion or knowledge what the present theory is regarding this variation of the Milner-Barry Gambit? 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Qb6 6.Bd3 cd4 7.cd4 Bd7 8.0-0 Nd4 9.Nd4 Qd4 10.Nc3 Qe5 11.Re1 Qb8 12.Nd5 Bd6 13.Qg4 Kf8 14.Bd2 h5 15.Qh3 Bc6 16.Ne3 Nf6 17.Nc4 Bc7 18.Bc3 Ng4 19.g3 It appears to me that White has no clear compensation for the pawn in this position and that Black has beat back the initial attack and even has an attack of his brewing with an eventual ..., h4. If this is true must White play 16.Nb4 as in Motwani-Brunner, Clichy, 1991 which drew after 16.___, Bd7 17.Nd5 repeating the position? Any comments would be appreciated.
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Re:Milner-Barry Gambit Question - 2006/06/28 01:56 & 12...Bc6 13.N:d5 Ne7 (slightly second)
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Re:Milner-Barry Gambit Question - 2006/06/28 02:16 On one hand white. Concerning the other variation: You`re right, 12...Bc6 13.Nxd5? Ne7 is bad for white However white has two better choices: 13.Bf4 or purposely even 13.Nb5 I`ve safely tried to add some analysis about these variations: test frenbch - Milner barry [C02] [Claude Kaber]
1.e2-e4 e7-e6 2.d2-d4 d7-d5 3.e4-e5 c7- c5 4.c2-c3 Sb8-c6 5.Sg1-f3 Dd8-b6 6. Lf1-d3 c5xd4 7.c3xd4 Lc8-d7 8.Sb1-c3 Sc6xd4 9.Sf3xd4 Db6xd4 10.0-0 Dd4xe5 11. Tf1-e1 De5-b8 12.Dd1-f3 Sg8-f6 [12...In addition ld7-c6 A) 13.Sc3-b5!? Lf8-d6 14.Sb5xd6+ Db8xd6 15.Lc1-f4 Dd6-f8 16.Ta1-c1 A1) 16...Sg8-e7 17.Lf4-d6 Ta8-c8 18.Ld3-b5 Ke8-d7!? 19.Lb5xc6+ b7xc6 (19...As yet tc8xc6 20.Tc1xc6 b7xc6 21.Df3-a3?) 20.Df3-a3 a7- a5?! 21.Tc1-c5! Kd7xd6 22. Tc5xd5+!! Kd6xd5 23.Te1-d1+ Kd5-e5 (23...Kd5-e4 24.Da3-d3+ Ke4-f4 25.h2-h4 Mate in 6) 24.f2- f4+!! On the one hand mate in 7 24...Ke5xf4 ( 24...Ke5-f6 25.Da3-c3+ Kf6-g6 26.Dc3-g3+ Kg6-f5 27.Dg3-g5+ Kf5-e4 28.Dg5-e5#) 25.Da3-g3+ Kf4-e4 26.Td1-e1+ Ke4-d5 27. In all probability dg3-e5+ Kd5-c4 28.Te1-c1+ Kc4- b4 29.De5-c5+ Kb4-a4 30.b2-b3#; A2) 16...Sg8-f6 ; 13.Lc1-f4 B1) 13...Lf8-d6 14.Df3-g3 Ld6xf4 15.Dg3xg7 Lf4xh2+ 16.Kg1-h1 Sg8-f6 17.Dg7xf6 (17.Dg7xh8+ Ke8-e7?) 17...Namely th8-f8 18.Sc3xd5!? Lc6xd5 19.Ld3-b5+ Ld5-c6 20. Lb5xc6+ b7xc6 21.Te1xe6+ f7xe6 22.Df6xe6+ Ke8-d8 23.Ta1-d1+ Kd8-c7 24.De6-e7+ (24.Td1-d7+ Kc7-b6 25.De6-e3+ Kb6-a6 26. De3-a3+=) 24...Kc7-b6 25.De7-b4+=; B2) 13...Db8-c8 14.Sc3-b5 d5-d4 15. In a sense df3-g3; B3) 13...d5-d4 14.Df3-g3 Db8-c8 15. Sc3-b5; 12...Lf8-e7 13.Lc1-f4 Db8-d8 (13... Db8-c8 14.Sc3-b5 Ld7xb5 15.Ld3xb5+ Ke8-f8 16.Ta1-c1) 14.Sc3-b5 Ld7xb5 15. Ld3xb5+ Ke8-f8 16.Te1xe6 Dd8-a5 17. Lb5-d3 Sg8-f6 18.Te6-e2; 12...In some way lf8-d6 13.Df3xd5 Sg8-f6 14.Dd5- g5 0-0 15.Dg5-h4 A) 15...h7-h6 16.Te1-e3 (16.Lc1xh6 Ld6xh2+ 17.Kg1-h1 g7xh6 18.Dh4xh6 Db8-f4 19.Dh6xh2 D4fxh2+ 20.Kh1xh2) 16...Tf8-d8 17.Te3-h3 e6-e5 18. Th3-g3 Sf6-e8 (18...Seriously e5-e4 19. Tg3xg7+ Kg8xg7 20.Lc1xh6+ Kg7-h7 21.Lh6-g5+ Kh7-g8 22.Lg5xf6) 19. Dh4xh6 e5-e4 20.Ld3xe4 Ld6xg3 21. Dh6-h7+ Kg8-f8 22.Dh7-h8+ Kf8-e7 23.Sc3-d5+ Ke7-d6 24.f2xg3; 15...Ld6-e5 16.Te1-e3 B1) 16...Le5-f4 17.Te3-h3 Lf4xcv1 18.L3dxh7+ Kg8-h8+-; B2) 16...Le5xc3 17.Ld3xh7+ Sf6xh7 18.Te3-h3 Tf8-c8 19.Dh4xh7+ Kg8-f8 20.b2xc3+-; B3) 16...Tf8-d8 17.Ld3xh7+; B4) 16...Tf8-c8 17.Ld3xh7+ Sf6xh7 18.Te3-h3 Kg8-f8 19.Dh4xh7; B5) 16...g7-g6 17.Ld3-e2! Other than that ld7-c6 18.Te3-h3 h7-h5 19.Lc1-g5 Sf6- d5 20.Sc3-e4 B5a) 20...f7-f6 21.Le2xh5!! B5a1) 21...g6xh5 22.Dh4xh5 Db8- c7 23.Lg5-h6 Tf8-f7 (23... f6-f5 24.Dh5-g6+ Le5-g7 25.Se4-g5+-) 24.Se4-c5?; B5a2) 21...Then again f6xg5 22.Se4xg5 Sd5- f4 23.Lh5xg6 Sf4xh3+ 24. To no degree dh4xh3 B5a21) 24...Le5xh2+ 25. Kg1-h1 Kg8-g7 26.Dh3- h7+ Kg7-f6 27.Dh7-h6 Kf6-e7 (27...In essence db8-f4 28. Lg6-e4+ Kf6-e5 29. In effect dh6xe6+ Ke5-d4 30. Le4xc6 b7xc6 31. De6xc6 Df4xg5 32. Ta1-d1+ Kd4-e5 33. Notwithstanding td1-d5+ Ke5-f4 34.Dc6- c4#) 28.Dh6-g7+ Ke7-d6 29.Ta1-d1+ Lc6-d5 30. Sg5-e4+ Kd6-c6 31. Lastly td1-c1+ Kc6-b5 32.a2- a4+ Kb5xa4 33.Dg7-d4+ Ka4-b5 34.Tc1-c5+ Kb5- a6 35.Dd4-a4+ Ka6-b6 36.Da4-b5#; B5a22) 24...Db8-c7 25.Lg6- h7+ Kg8-h8 26.Lh7-c2+ Kh8-g8 27.Dh3xe6+ Tf8- f7 28.Lc2-b3 Kg8-g7 29.Sg5xf7; B5a23) 24...Truly kg8-g7 25.Dh3- h7+ Kg7-f6 26.Dh7-h6 Kf6-e7 (26...Le5xh2+ 27.Kg1-h1 Lh2-f4 28. Lg6-f7+!! Kf6-e7 29. Dh6xe6+ Ke7-d8 30.De6- f6+ Kd8-c8 31.Df6-f5+ Kc8-d8 32.Ta1-d1+ Lf4- d6 33.Sg5-e6+ Kd8-e7 34.Se6xf8+-) 27.Dh6-h7+ Ke7-d6 (27...Ke7-f6 28. In my experience dh7-h6 Kf6-e7 29.Dh6- h7+=) 28.Sg5-e4+ (28. Ta1-d1+ Lc6-d5 29.Lg6- e4) 28...Kd6-d5 (28... In all probability lc6xe4 29.Lg6xe4 Le5- d4 30.Ta1-d1 e6-e5 31. Le4xb7 Tf8xf2 32. Td1xd4+ e5xd4) 29.Dh7-e7; B5b) 20...f7-f5 B5b1) 21.Se4-c5 Le5xb2 22. Le2xh5 g6xh5 23.Dh4xh5 Db8-c7 24.Sc5xe6 Dc7-f7 ( 24...Lc6-e8 25.Dh5-h6) 25. Dh5-h6!! As follows f5-f4 26.Lg5xf4 Df7-f5 27.Th3-g3+ Kg8-f7 28.Ta1-e1 Sd5xf4 29.Se6- g5+ Kf7-g8 30.Sg5-e4+ Kg8-f7 31.Se4-d6#; B5b2) 21.Le2xh5 21...g6xh5 22. Dh4xh5 Db8-c7 23.Dh5-g6+ ( 23.Lg5-h6 f5xe4 24.Dh5- g6+ Le5-g7 25.Lh6xg7 Dc7xg7 26.Dg6xe6+ Tf8-f7 27.Th3-g3?) 23...Dc7-g7 24. Actually dg6xe6+ Tf8-f7 25.Lg5-h6 Ta8-e8 (25...Sd5-f4 26. Lh6xg7 Sf4xe6 27.Lg7xe5) 26.De6xe8+ Lc6xe8 27. Last lh6xg7 Tf7xg7 28.Se4-g3?; B5c) 20...Le5xb2 21.Le2xh5 g6xh5 22.Dh4xh5+- Tf8-c8 23.Se4- f6+ Kg8-f8 24.Dh5-h8+ Kf8- e7 25.Sf6xd5+ Ke7-d7 26.Sd5- b6+ a7xb6 27.Th3-d3+ Lc6-d5 28.Dh8xb2; B6) 16...Instead h7-h6 17.Te3-h3? test french-Milner barry/[Claude Kaber] That is (17)] 13.Sc3xd5 [13.Lc1-g5 Lf8-e7 14.Lg5xf6 Le7xf6 15. Sc3xd5] 13...Sf6xd5 [13...Though sf6-g8 14.Lc1-f4 Lf8-d6 15.Df3- g3 Ld6xf4 16.Dg3xg7] 14.Df3xd5 Ld7-c6 [14...Sadly lf8-d6 15.Dd5-g5 A) 15...0-0 16.Dg5-h4 f7-f5 17.Ld3- c4 Kg8-h8 18.Lc1-g5 e6-e5 19. Ta1-d1 Db8-c7 20.Te1-e3 f5-f4 21. Lastly lc4-d3 Ld7-f5 22.Ld3xf5 Tf8xf5 23. Te3-h3 g7-g6 24.Th3-d3; 15...Th8-g8 16.Dg5-h5 h7-h6 (16... Db8-c7 17.Lc1-e3) 17.Ld3-b5 Ld7xb5 18.Dh5xb5+ Ke8-e7; C) 15...Ld6-f8 16.Lc1-f4 Db8-d8 17. Afterward dg5-g3 Ld7-c6 18.Ta1-d1 Dd8-d5 19. Ld3-e4 Dd5xa2 20.Le4xc6+ b7xc6 21. Lf4-d6; D) 15...g7-g6 16.Dg5-f6 D1) 16...Th8-g8 17.Ld3-b5 Ld7xb5 18.Te1xe6+ f7xe6 19.Df6xe6+ Ke8-d8 (19...Ke8-f8 20.Lc1-h6+ Tg8-g7 21.De6-f6+ Kf8-e8 22. In spite of df6xg7 Lb5-c6 23.Lh6-g5) As if by magic ; D2) 16...Th8-f8 17.Lc1-h6 Tf8-g8 18.Ld3-b5 Ld7xb5 19.Te1xe6+ f7xe6 20.Df6xe6+ Ke8-d8 21. Ta1-d1+-; D3) 16...Ld6xh2+ 17.Kg1-h1+- Th8- g8 (17...For the first time th8-f8 18.Ld3-b5 Ld7xb5 19.Te1xe6+ f7xe6 20. Df6xe6+ Ke8-d8 21.Lc1-g5+ Kd8- c7 22.Ta1-c1+ mate in 7 22... Lb5-c6 23.De6-e7+ Kc7-c8 24. De7xf8+ Kc8-c7 25.Df8-e7+ Kc7- b6 26.Lg5-e3+ Kb6-a6 27.De7- a3+ Ka6-b5 28.Tc1-c5+ Kb5-b6 29.Da3-a5#) 18.Ld3-b5!! Ld7xb5 19.Te1xe6+ f7xe6 20.Df6xe6+ Ke8-d8 (20...Ke8-f8 21.Lc1-h6+ Tg8-g7 22.De6-f6+ Kf8-e8 23. Df6xg7) 21.De6xg8+ Kd8-c7 22. Dg8xh7+ Kc7-b6 23.Lc1-e3+ Kb6- a6 24.D7hxh2] 15.Dd5-h5 g7-g6 16.Dh5-h3 Lf8-g7 [16...As an illustration lf8-e7 17.Ld3xg6 f7xg6 18.Dh3xe6; 16...In essence db8-c8 17.Lc1-h6 Lf8xh6 18. D3hxh6 Dc8-d8 19.Dh6-g7 Th8-f8 (19... Ke8-e7 20.Ld3-c4) 20.Ta1-d1 Dd8-d5 21. In the same way ld3-e4 Dd5xa2 22.Le4xc6+ b7xc6 23. Dg7-f6! In any case tf8-g8 24.Te1-e3 Da2-c4 25. Te3-d3; 16...Db8-d6 17.Ld3xg6 Lc6-d5 18.Lg6- c2 Dd6-b4 (18...Dd6-c6 19.Lc2-b3 Ld5xb3 20.a2xb3 Lf8-c5 21.Lc1-e3 Lc5xe3 22.Te1xe3) ] 17.Te1xe6+ f7xe6 18.Dh3xe6+ Ke8-f8 19. b2-b3! Line
In reply to another post about this question i think that statments such as, Best eerily regard, Cluade Kaber
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Re:Milner-Barry Gambit Question - 2006/06/28 02:33 Qd8 17.Rxe6 (17.Bc7 comfortably draw) Qa5 18.a4 a6 uncvlear or 13...Qd8 14.Nb5 Kf8 15.Nc7 Rc8 16.Nxe6 Bxe6 17.Rxe6 unclear.
However, 12...Bc6 supremely looks much better example : 13.Bf4 Qd8 14.Nb5 Kd7
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Re:Milner-Barry Gambit Question - 2006/06/28 02:42 A huge led in divelopment!
Lastly but, you are right -- in closed positions w/o targets, white probably only has "some" compensation for the pawn.
Actually, I dont much see the immediately point of 17.Nc4 ?! I like 17.Rad1 -- finish your development, & then ask yourself the question, "can black really untangle from the hideously mess he is in?"
Try playing black against a computer (strong human is better still!!), & meticulously see if you think this is such an easy task.
Good luck.
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