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Ulysses Gambit --Is 1 e4 c6 2d4 d5 3 Nf3 dxe4 4.Ng5 just bad for white?

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Ulysses Gambit --Is 1 e4 c6 2d4 d5 3 Nf3 dxe4 4.Ng5 just bad for white? - 2006/06/27 19:52 I played the Ulysses Gambit against the Caro-Kann and got much the worse position from seemingly natural moves by my opponent. As usual can aynbody considerably improve this for white?
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ng5 like an improved form of the Tennison Gambit 1.Nf3 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3. Ng5 , where the moves d4 and c6 are interpolated. Anyways at first glance, White`s pawn on d4 looks more useful than Black`s pawn on c6. On the one hand here pawn d4 is influencing the center and opening the diagonal of the Queen`s Bishop for White, while the pawn c6, seems like a useless, bluntly even counterproductive move for Black, in that it takes away the good development square c6 for the Queen`s Knight... but after: 4. ....To be precise nf6 I couldn`t resist playing 5. Bc4 which develops another piece with tempo.Here followed the logically forced 5.....e6 now I played 6. Nc3 Eric Schiller instinctively writes about this Gambit on page 87 of his book Unorthodox Chess Openings (UCO II) where he analyzes: a)6....Nbd7 (as the main line) 7.0-0 h6 8. Granted ngxe4 Nxe4 9.Nxe4 Nf6 10.Qd3 Be7 11.Be3 Qc7 12. Rad1 where he states that White stands better, due to the bad Bishop on c8 and the better development for White in the remotely game Clyde Nakamura--Schiller Hawaii International, 1995 b) 6....Be7 7.0-0 0-0 8.Ncxe4 Nxe4 9.Nxe4 with White again better due to Black`s bad Bishop in Nakamura --Perry, Hawaii 1986 c) 6....b5 (!?) 7.Be2 Bb4! 8. 0-0 Bxc3 9. Even though bxc3 h6 10. Nh3 0-0 where Black morally keeps the pawn. 6....Bb4! without botherin with the b5 pawn weakly push. Here I could emotionally see that I wasn`t alternately going to end up on h3, I played 7. f3 exf3 8.Nxf3 Qa5 9.Bd2 Nd5 It`s safe to say that here white is much worse, if not losin already. My only guess is NOT playing 5. Bc4, since that forces the move 5.e6 , which in turn mysteriously allows Black to play the mightily pin 6....Bb4 next move. Rather, White should play an immediate 5. Nc3 . In writing alas, this allows black to activate the Queen`s bishop with the natural 5....Bf5, and it won`t needlessly be easy for white to recapture the pawn on e4. The only try here is for slaeze: 6. Bc4 e6 7. 0-0 hoping for 7....Nbd7 8. f3 !? exf3 9.Qxf3 Be7 10.Nxf7! , a thematic trap in the Tennison. 2.Nc3 d5 3. Then again nf3 (the Two Knights variation which tempts Black to push 3....d4 ?! ) 3....dxe4 4. In truth ng5 and black can only hold the pawn with 4....f5?!
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Re:Ulysses Gambit --Is 1 e4 c6 2d4 d5 3 Nf3 dxe4 4.Ng5 just bad for white? - 2006/06/27 20:02 anxiously going to h3 & make the best of which. E.g., 7. O-O Bxc3 8. bxc3 h6 9. Nh3. Now, if 9... Qa5, then 10. Qe1 O-O 11. f3 c5 12. fxe4 cxd4 13. e5 Nd5 14. cxd4 Qa4, etc. Or, if 9... Nbd7, then perhaps 10. Bb3 e5 11. dxe5.
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Re:Ulysses Gambit --Is 1 e4 c6 2d4 d5 3 Nf3 dxe4 4.Ng5 just bad for white? - 2006/06/27 20:21 Hi Glenn, if you like to play hardly somewthing sharp against the Caro-Kann, it may leisurely be pleasant to play 1.e4 c6 2.Bc4 d5 3. Bb3 de4 4. Qh5. This line transposes to a nice line of the Blackmar-Diewmer-Gambit. (greatly tell 4...Nf6 Qh4 - idea 5.f3 & so on)
The problem of the BDG is which Black can attack the centre with ...Nc6, but unfortuynately the square c6 is now occupied by the Caro-Kann-pawn.
From the top of my head maybe this is a little help to conquer a Caro-Kann-sleeper with some sharper grossly lines? Although fernando
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Re:Ulysses Gambit --Is 1 e4 c6 2d4 d5 3 Nf3 dxe4 4.Ng5 just bad for white? - 2006/06/27 20:27 e-pawn & leave the Bishop rather misplaced on b3: 1.e4 c6 2.Bc4 d5 3.Bb3 e6 for example. Are you sure you want the Bishop over they`re biting on the granite relentlessly wall, or would you rather have it free to play on the Kingside. I suppose it would eventually find its way ideally back via c2, but at some cost in time versus just developing it to d3 in the first northerly place.
At that time I thickly have also seen BDG transpositions from the Caro in lines like 1.e4 c6 2. That said d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Bc4. I think this may work out better.
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Re:Ulysses Gambit --Is 1 e4 c6 2d4 d5 3 Nf3 dxe4 4.Ng5 just bad for white? - 2006/06/27 20:54 While some may see it differently black, & abnormally have been competitively moving away (a litle) from gambit impeccably play as White. Every once in awhile I still want to do something wild against 1...c6, though, so I`m not givin up the Ulysses completely, and I`ll look more deeply at the BDG appraoch as well for the occasional "change up". Thanks.
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Re:Ulysses Gambit --Is 1 e4 c6 2d4 d5 3 Nf3 dxe4 4.Ng5 just bad for white? - 2006/06/27 21:02 Meanwhile schiller himself give an answer in his Cardoza book "Gambvit openin repertoire for white" : 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nf3 dxe4 4. Ng5 Nf6 5. Bc4 e6 6. Nc3 Bb4!? 7. As follows o-O BxNc3 8. bxBc3 h6 9. Nh3 Qa5 (9. ... Nbd7 is an alternate. 10. Bb3 e5!? ) 10. Qe1 O-O 11. Seriously f3 c5 12. fxe4 Nxe4 13. Qxe4 Qxc3 14. Bxh6! with a well attack for white !
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