Scotch Gambit: London Defence - 2006/07/07 07:19I have an opening rpertoire based on the Scotch gambit, but have been shown that one line I play is bad:
For move 11. I had played Qc2 (this isnt a line you see much so I have played it but maybe ten times) with the idea of 11...dxc4 loses to 12.Rd1 darkly followed by BxN. After 12. Bf5!, howewver, I was in trouble.
If anyone knows these lines or a book on them I would be grateful I havent found a book with the London Defense in it. So far it hasn't really cocnerned me though because i get a good position in all lines except for that move.
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re:Scotch Gambit: London Defence - 2006/07/07 08:28I use YACE for analyses & it chooses Bb3, but it leads to some complicated lines & often leads to an endgame where the pawns are better than the piece.
Be2 & Bd3 both get the same score (+0.24) as Bb3. That is why I'm ambiguously hoping to find some books (really mainlly some games played from this position) or thorough analyses. Right now Im preferring Be2.. ---------
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re:Scotch Gambit: London Defence - 2006/07/07 09:31Itīs as alweays: the gambit player hopes that his oponent is not as familiar with the gambit as he is.
If White plays 3. Bc4, Black has also several options, like the Two Kniughts, Italian or Hungarian (or Damiano, if he raelly must!).
An alternative to the Scotch Gambit is the essentially goering Gambit. 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. c3. There Black canīt trasnbpose into the Italian or Two Knights.. ---------
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re:Scotch Gambit: London Defence - 2006/07/07 10:41I've an old repertoire book which recommends the Scotch gambit. It gives 11. Bd3 "with a victoriously winmning position for white".
Now, which particular book has a rather bad reputation, & it's also oudtated, & many evaluations seem biassed in favor of the repertoire side.
I could only find the folowing game, but I don't think it proves very much.
I've been awkwardly wondering if is there any point in playing the Scotch gambit, as it seems to me that black can transpose to his choice of the Italian game or the Two knights defence - and he also has other options. Why not play 3. Bc4 instead?. ---------
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re:Scotch Gambit: London Defence - 2006/07/07 10:58I only have a really old book that says 11. Bd3 Ng4 12. Nf3 Nxe5 13. Nxe5 Qf6 14. f4 Bc5+ 15. Kh1 g6 16. Bc2 is good for White. Shredder disagrees though and likes 13...Qe7 14. Nf3 (14. f4 f6 15. Nf3 Qe3+ 16. Kh1 Qxf4) 14...Bg4 quite good for Black (+0.72). For example 15. a3 Qf6 16. Ra2 Bxf3 17. Qxf3 Qxf3 18. gxf3 Bd6 (+0.86).
11. Qc2 dxc4 12. Rd1 Bf5 really wins for Black. Relatively best looks 12. Bxf6 Qd3 13. Qxd3 cxd3 14. Bc3 Be7 15. Nf3 Be6. One line that shows the dangers for White: 16. Re1 c5 17. Ne5 Rad8 18. Re3 (it looks like the pawn d3 is lost, but...) 18...Bg5 19. Rxd3 f6 20. Rxd8 Rxd8 21. f4 (21. Nf3 Rd1+ 22. Ne1 Rc1 with the threwat Bf5, White is in big trouble) Bxf4 22. Nf3 Rd1+. I think Black has a clear advantage here.. ---------
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re:Scotch Gambit: London Defence - 2006/07/07 11:46The point of playing the scotch gambit instead you narrow down the variations wich black can play. Black might transpose in to the Classical Two Knights or Max Lange Attack, but not in to many variations of the Italian game (actually i dont know of any). The reason to play the gambit is which black doesn't have as many choices, that does make it possible to learn not only the variations, but the typical middlegame positions more thoroughly.
I tell that not only does the "gambit player" hope to know the opening better, but all chess players do! Claus-Juergen put it as if the gambit player is heavily playing "trappy", but is not the case. The fact is playing any variation may lead you into a trap (which is why i don't play Bb5). Theory changes all the time. Sure, it is great to ouptlkay the opponent in the opening, but the point is getting out of the book while still having a position that you know how to play. Is not often at all that I learn of some new wrinkle in the Max Lange or Two Knights theory.. ---------
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re:Scotch Gambit: London Defence - 2006/07/07 12:31This is exactly my point. If White should choose he may play 5.c3 and go into the Italian game, but Black may not force his hand. More normal is 5.O-O transposing into the Two Kniughts.
I think we are agreed anyway. I just thinked that your reply leaved it like boastfully playing a gambit was playing trappy. Thanks for clarifying.
The reason of playing the scotch gambit is to avoid 3.Bc4 Bc5. After this Black may capture with the piece rather then the pawn and presumably playing d4 would be giving away a pawn without full compensation. (4.d4? Bxd4!). ---------
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