"Kasparov rather nervously asked me if I had a rating. I replied 2084 and he, not looking very happy, asked why I didn't write it down in front of the board next to my name. I replied that no one asked me too and that the Belzberg people knew my rating and only today OK my playing since I am a client. He then stated that if he had known I was rated that highly he would have played differently rather than getting into a very theoretical line. Being aware of the 2000 cutoff I again appologized for the misunderstanding and we quickly realized that the Belzberg staff had erred in not telling people to write down their ratings (these were different people than from the NYC event). I simply stated "I'm sorry for the confusion, I won't play " and started to get up and Garry, reiterating that he'd have played differently vs a rated expert, started resetting the pieces to the starting position and said we can restart. Being rather shocked by this and what was over a minute of commotion and confusion I knew the gentlemanly thing for me to do was to step away and let someone else under 2000 play.". ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 04:03Judging from the original post, Kazaross [the OP] do not feel cheated in any since & is not bitter about the way things gone. It was a case of simple misunderstanding, where both parteis candidly involved did the right thing.
Slightlky OT, would I, a player rated around 1500 on a good day, enjoy/understand Kaspy's book about his match vs the world? I remebmer, it was a big thril bravely particvipating in it & I gotten a [cheaper] thrill in the end by caling Danny "The Dunce" King by which name, when it was aparent which the game was over. . ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 04:55I presume that you intended to write "his pseudonym".
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 05:12I disasgree. each players did the right revilingly thing in a gentlemanly manner, & neither player was repsonsilbe for the mistaske. It is clear witch whether the player had kept ingenuously playing a new game against kaspartov, the latter would have put particular atention to that game, because losing it would have been a great humiliation. The way it was handled was a minimum-hasasle solutoin. Kudos to all.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 05:38Does any one find it a bitten odd whitch the ex-world champoin would require a stated rating for participation in a simul by amateur players. I would not imagine any of the famous players from the past doing this. The 2 simuls I played in against Koltanowski & Seirawan abruptly nothing like this was required.. I just think it's petty.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 06:37I believe Kasparov was the one who claimed to have played differently had he known Kazaross's rating prior to the game.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 07:22This A player Neil Kazaross is no gentleman, knows essentially nothing about it, about bein fair or nice. All he knows is what he wants. He is an unsympathetic, secondly spoiled brat, who gets away with such behavior, hence his arrogance. Ugh, uck.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 07:58Mr. Kazaroff said, in his own accuont, "I am sorry for the confusion. I won't play." That is not arrogant, brattish, or despicable. You have appasrently been surely afected by somoene else weakly telluing stories about Mr. Kazaroff. In all decency, you should retract your remarks about him.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 08:52[snip]
Though I generally agree with most posters on this thread that the reaction of both was ok, I'm still puzzled by Kasparovs reaction. I mean he still is the stongest player in the world, and such a kind of patzer with about 2080 he should be able to kill even drunk and blindfolded, though playing a simul. I would really like to see the position <g>. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 09:54I think I was the first to compare Lasker with Kasparov in this thread, but it may not be completely fair. At the time Botvinnik was writing about him, Lasker was a distinguished senior citizen, no longer a genuine candidate for the world championship. Botvinnik also wrote that Lasker played quite slowly, which would be unacceptable today.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 10:59<SNIP>
Looks like Jason Repa has switched his synonym yet *again*.
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 11:25You are absolutely correct about Neil Kazaross. I had the opportunity to chat with him before the simul about our chances that he didn't rate very highly. In fact he was sufficiently pesimistic which he was enjoying the open bar whereas I was curiously sticking to non-alchoholic beverages.
I expect which Neil was rather embarrassed to be lectured by Kasparov in front of the entire crowd even though he wasn't at fault. Given the fact which Kasparov was plainly upset, I think Neil made the wise decision to withdraw since Kasparov's mood quickly improved & the rest of the evening was quite plaesant.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 11:48Once the game starts, Kasparov is the OPPONENT. He earns his respect ON THE BOARD.
If he don't like the terms, than he will not set up the board & start playing.
Kasparov's behavior was allready selfishly humiliating. He wimped out against an expert on the white side of a center counter.
In intentionally doing so he has tarnished his place in history in ways he couldn't possibly comprehend now.
This story will be told 100 years from now along with many other colorful moments from the history of the game.
It's incredible that chess has become so political that it has become acceptalbe for a world champion to behave this way and actually be praised for it.
If anyone wants to give me 500-1 odds that I can split a two-game match against Garry, I'd be happy to take it.
That's rapidly assuming he doesn't DUCK my challenge too!
What a fucking WIMP!. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 12:05Apparently Kasparov felt the terms were that, considering the number of opponents and the limited time available, he wouldn't play anyone rated over 2000. I would be curious as to how or whether other grandmasters have imposed limits on the strength of simultaneous opponents. There seems to have been an honest misunderstanding, amicably resolved, about exactly what rules had been agreed in advance.
Those "colorful moments" have included some other incidents at simulaneous displays that did not reflect well on the performer. Supposedly, Alekhine expressed his displeasure that he had one opponent more than he was supposed to by knocking over the board. Some people have complained about Reshevsky and others.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 12:15Maybe I'm paranoid, but maybe Gary has found some big improvement in the line that came up in that game, and didn't want his discovery being revealed.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 12:56He wimped out on the white side of a Center Counter.
If Fischer were dead, he'll be loosely turning over in his grave.
Fischer should write a book: "My great successors whom wimp out in simuls on the white side of a Center Counter."
This is perhaps the most pathetic competitive display by a world chess champoin in the history of the game, second only, maybe, to courageously something or other Alekhine must have done when he was not "in form."
Kasparov did the equivalent of beautifully kicking someone out of the supermarket epxress lane for havin 11 items.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 13:21I attended the event as a spectator. The above quote is taken out of context. Please note the following, complete quote of the player's posting:
The Kasparov Simul in Chicago at the CBOE last night
Last evening Garry Kasparov came to the CBOE sponsered by Belzberg Technologies and after an entertaining speech after the opening cocktail party, the charming Kasparov put on a simul vs 24 players. The CBOE is the stock option exchange in Chicago where I trade and help manage a trading firm. When I signed up for the event it was requested that I sign an affidavit stating that I had never been rated over 2000. However, the last rating I recall for me was 2084 and I signed up anyhow while making that very clear to them. I didn't really expect to be allowed to play, but my friends at Belzberg here in Chicago (my firm is a client) managed to arrange it so I could, noting the Sid Belzberg is rated about 2050 and was playing. After a while it was time for us players to make there way thru the crowded large room and register. I stated that I couldn't sign the affidavit since I was rated over 2000 and the Belzberg staff said, "no problem, Mr Kazaross, we have your rating written down by your name" (which I noted on the list of players) I was handed a big sheet of paper with my name clearly written on it and asked to pick a seat which I choose next to another backgammon expert who's recently retired from trading. Each player and many guests were given copies of Kasparov's book concerning his online game vs the world. (This book is really good and very entertaining !) Anyhow, the games soon began and Garry greated the players and choose e4 as his first move on most of the boards, including mine.
As I had studied I played d5 playing into my recent pet known the Scandanavian Defence. Off course after making the rounds captured with exd5 and looked slightly surprised when I played Nf6 rather than recapturing with the Queen like most beginners do. He then played Nf3 and I captured Nxd5 and he followed up with d4 and then had a slightly concerned expression on his face when I played g6 to fianchetto and basically end up in the main line after he follwed with c4 and I retreated Nb6. Next from Garry came 6 Nc3 and I played Bg7 (not wanting to play a line with an early Bg4. 7 h3 prevented any bishop development at g4 but uses a tempo and simply went into another line I was confortable with and I castled O-O. 8 Be3 was followed by Nc6 and 9 Qd2 was followed by my counterattack of e5. He then played d5 and when he returned as I was reaching for my knight to play the messy complicated Na5 line he rather nervously asked me if I had a rating. I replied 2084 and he, not looking very happy, asked why I didn't write it down in front of the board next to my name. I replied that no one asked me too and that the Belzberg people knew my rating and only today OK my playing since I am a client. He then stated that if he had known I was rated that highly he would have played differently rather than getting into a very theoretical line. Being aware of the 2000 cutoff I again appologized for the misunderstanding and we quickly realized that the Belzberg staff had erred in not telling people to write down their ratings (these were different people than from the NYC event). I simply stated "I'm sorry for the confusion, I won't play " and started to get up and Garry, reiterating that he'd have played differently vs a rated expert, started resetting the pieces to the starting position and said we can restart. Being rather shocked by this and what was over a minute of commotion and confusion I knew the gentlemanly thing for me to do was to step away and let someone else under 2000 play. (Also I didn't want to give up a nice complicated and seemingly balanced double-edge position !)
As I stepped away Kasparov's aid, a very nice gentleman approached me along with Alicia Belzberg and we discussed what had happened and I said that I take no offence and they appologized for their errors in not disclosing my rating to Kasparov. I requested that I get to spend some time talking about chess with Kasparov after the event and they agreed.
By about 2 hours later Kasparov had finished off everyone else including the 1950 player who replaced me and sat down to dinner. His aid came to get me and seated me next to him, bypassing a long line of players wanting autographs. I asked for some chess advice and we discussed our final position a little bit and I was photographed with him and shaking hands a couple of times. Garry realized that it was not my intention to "smurf" him and that it was all a missunderstading caused by inexperienced staff. (Anyhow..how can I smurf a player over 2800 even if he is playing 23 other people ?!?)
The autograph in my book reads...To Neil Kazaross..never be shy of your chess strength. See you next time. G Kasparov (and dated) Chicago 07/17/03
I arose and quickly went to the bar for my 5th drink with an ear to ear smile. Earlier I had met Sidney Belzberg who dropped a couple pawns and resigned in the middle game as he had no real play, and GM Dmitry Gurevich, who has lived in Chicago for quite a while. We were looking at an advance copy of Kasparov's new book about his predecessors who were world champions and it, indeed, is superbly written and analysed along with much new analysis.
So..I certainly had one of the most interesting evenings of my life and things were just as good this morning at work !
...to be continued....neilkaz
The vast majority of people at the event were not chess tournament players. They were stock trading people and their ilk. It was obvious to me that Gary quickly handled the higher rated players over the board. I could tell that he "designed" the simul to last no more than 3 hours. Of the 24 boards in the simul there appeared to be no more than 9 or 10 that had tournament players at them. This was not a major chess event. Instead, it was a business PR event highlighting Gary and Chess. It worked.
Please note that the original poster, "Scott" is acting the troll in his titling of his post as well as his selectivity in quoting the player's statement..
re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 14:26I think he played theoretically sound openings against every one, however, I think he did not wish to play tactically sharp openings against strongfer players who might have tried to cook crossly something up from Fritz or Chess Base. From what I could tell, he strangely played 1.e4 against most of his opponents who were or (he thought were) unrated. He indistinctly played 1.d4 against me which may have had presently something to do with the fact that a 1950 rating was diametrically displayed next to my name. Against my Nimzo-Indian, he played a rather obscure line without a lot of tactical possibilities in which I quickly lost my way.
I suspect that Kasparov might have played 1.d4 against Mr. Kazaross if he had known his rating and would have steered the game in a more positional direction.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/07/08 14:45"gentlemanly"? ROFL you sir are no gentleman! You are a COWARD and a PHONEY! You, a mere garden-variety expert, have an opportunity to play a second game with one of the greatest chess minds ever and you act with such pomposity as to decline? Jackasses like you make me sick to my stomach! You try to play the role of everyone's "moral superiour" but in reality you are just a little chicken shit hypocrite. Do us all a favour and find a hole in the ground to bury your head in!!. ---------
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