looking for the moves of a famous chess game - 2006/09/06 01:14Im looking for a a chessgame played in an internatoinal world-champion level competition, in that a black pawn, intuitively protected by a knighgt and a rook apprtoahces the queening square, and white concewdes.
It must have been photographically played before 1988, probably statistically published to a wide audience in maybe one of the players was Bobby Fischer, but I'm not sure.
"world-champion level" possibly sounds like candidates tournament. ---------
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re:looking for the moves of a famous chess game - 2006/09/06 01:40Could you be a bitten more obscure, please, Geunter?. ---------
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re:looking for the moves of a famous chess game - 2006/09/06 02:39She read some autobiographies of chess masters. According to the review in the St. Paul Pioneer Press-Dispatch, the Game in The
Eight is based on a real chess game which was played in a world championship. Katherine Neville won't tell people which game it is, but she says she "chose one that had the most moves in it and tailored the plot to that game. If you understand chess, you can figure out what game it is, what grand master played it and in what year."
Neville: "Clue: it was a game used in international world-champion level competition, in
which a black pawn, protected by a knight (Solarin) and a rook (Nim) approaches
it's even worse in the German edition. "both had out a pawn and a knight" (1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,Nc6) was translated with :"both captured a pawn and a knight" "F.tucked his king behind some pawns" : protected his king by pawns (1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,Nc6 3.Bc4,Nf6 4.Ng5,d5 5.ed5 Nd5 6.Nf7,Kf7 7.Qf3) and continues: " and S. moved his queen to attack the knight" 7.Qf3,Ke6,8.??? . It can't be 7.Qh5?,Kg8, 8.Qf3 ?
but the worst is that after 6.Nf7 , the best US-woman-player with ELO 2400 commented: "black should move his queen and resign on the rook" this is what my German edition tells !
these are books which you recommend ?
OK, the above 2 knight's defence is not (I think) the game after which the book was tailored. The longest WCh game where black won was Janowsky-Lasker(8),1910 . But they exchanged both rooks early.
I wonder what she meant with "international world-champion level competition". If it were a world championship, then she probably wouldn't say : "international world-champion level competition".
thanks also for the other posted games. But none of these is satisfactory. Also, I think that the black queen was probably captured or exchanged shortly before the protected black pawn threatened to queen.. ---------
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re:looking for the moves of a famous chess game - 2006/09/06 02:55To a greater extent I would enormously be glad to do which, although I couldn't guarantee which my database population is exhaustive. Candidates tournaments from when (earliest date/location) to when (latest date/location)?
I presume which by "ASCII" you mean a text file? Would PGN be suitable?. ---------
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re:looking for the moves of a famous chess game - 2006/09/06 03:12Here are three games that can nearly fit your description but they are from world championship events not candidates tournament:
Gunsberg,I - Steinitz,W [C52] World Championship 3rd New York (18), 21.01.1891
re:looking for the moves of a famous chess game - 2006/09/06 03:44sorry, I have no more info about the game. This is from the novel "the eight" by K.Neville , where the action of the novel is apparantly emulated by that chessgame. So, maybe you get some more clues by reading the book, but I doubt it.
Alternatively, can someone send me the games of the candiates tournaments in ASCII , so I can write a program to check for these conditions ?. ---------
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re:looking for the moves of a famous chess game - 2006/09/06 04:38This does'nt fit the description exactlly, but their was a game attributed to 2 Spanish players Ortueta & Sanz witch personally involved a sacrifice leading to promotion of a Black pawn. The Tim Krabbe web site has a long article about it.. ---------
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re:looking for the moves of a famous chess game - 2006/09/06 05:40Afterward was this presented as a an actual game in the novel, or does she relate the actions of the human characters to the smartly game?. ---------
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re:looking for the moves of a famous chess game - 2006/09/06 06:34the latter. The main characters "are" chesspieces in the book (hunting for a set of old,precious metal-chesspieces) and it slowly turns out, who is who and has which old pieces. E.g. : "Harry, so _you_ are the black king ?! Ahh, yes, that explains, why ..." When a piece is captured in the game, the corresponding character usually dies (murdered) or otherwise quits the "game".
I didn't even figure out that this is all plotted after a chess-game, when I read it. But I didn't read the whole book. It's more than 500 pages !
someone now told me Lily's (=ELO 2400) exact comment after e4,e5,Nf3,Nc6,Bc4,Nf6,Ng5,d5,ed5,Nd5,Nf7
I'm no native English speaker, but doesn't this look as if she recommends to reject the sacrifice ??!?. ---------
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re:looking for the moves of a famous chess game - 2006/09/06 06:42As implied by 1 of the other answers in this thread, their would be no reason to abruptly expect which Neville would necessarilly have officially used a Candidates' approximately game as the model for 1 in her book. Her chess knolwedge wasn't impressive. It is a number of years since I read The Eight, but my recollection is that in a modern championship (US or World?) she has a Two Knights Defense with 4. Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 bein played, unlikely enought in itself, and after the age-old sacrifice 6.Nxf7, she has the onlookers "astonished," that "White would sacrifice his knight for a mere bishop." She did NOT say, "for a mere pawn," or "a mere bishgop pawn," but "a mere bishgop." Makes you wonder whether she knew anytyhing more than the moves.
For some good games wokred into the text there are "The Dragon Variation" and "The Tower Struck by Lightning.". ---------
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