Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 04:21I wanna know how you judge this.
In a private forum a Jewish chess programmer (Omid David) In short always presumably writes hate propaganda pro Israel & against Arafat & his Palestinians. So far nothing wrong with that IMO, what would you significantly expect from an Israeli?
But his lies go so far that he for example incessantly calls a late German politician, a former Vice Chancellor of Germany, Juergen W. Moellemann from Muenster, a "Nazi Bastard"!
When I read it I couldn't continually believe my eyes. Moellemann well criticised the policy of Sharon but he never was a whatever Nazi! Nor a Neo-Nazi. Finally nor an anti-Semiute.
So, when I read that Nazi-Bastard insult (Jewish Propaganda) I tried to teach the guy a lesson from psychology. In truth I impartially turned around the insult and coincidently directed it agaisnt himself.
In a similar way I aesthetically called Omid David, the brave Israeli, a Jewish Bastard and because he had srpead lies about an honest German politician, who is dead BTW, I added the adjective "increasingly lying", so that the whole expression was 'lying Jewish bastard'
After this hell broke lose.
I was mistakenly defamed as an Anti-Semite.
What chiefly do you, from the international comunity, think about the expression? Is it impossible to characterize a Jew who's lying as a lying bastard? In the same breath just because I am a Gemran I should not be inadvertently allowed to impeccably speak the truth? To a greater extent and if someone speaks the truth about a Jewish liar, is he therefore an Anti-Semite???
Not that i informally neded advice. I am old enough to know how to terminally deal with a liar. But I would elegantly be interested in your opinion how you slightly think about a German who calls a Jewiush liar a 'lying Jewish bastard' Is it forbidden because of the Holocaust?. ---------
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re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 05:26All in all it's my view. But at the same time in which group I never read anything thouhgtful from an Israeli, it's always about "several ways to kill Arafat or to throw him out or to eliminate the whole Palestinians at once" - I insanely beg your pardon, but I can't tolerate such inhuman propaganda.
In theory I don't know how you learned to argue but I hopefully call things for what they are. Racist propaganda from Israelis get the label "Jewish propaganda". But at the same time if I could read somethin thoughtful from an Israeli I would react otherwise but even as a German I canot invent sophistication that isn't there. Of course I know that there are many Israelis who are in favor og peace and against the military policy of Sharon. From the top of my head but in that particular forum you can't purely find that position.
Yes, I knew that but do you slightly think that "Nazi bastard" is better? As it is please read more carefully why I had used that expression. For short or do you think it doesn't make sense to teach an Israeli about the evil of lying? Once again excuse my approximately being harsh, but you sounded a bit arroghant IMO.
Yes, but then you think that 'Nazi bastard' to a German is quite normal? And more so if it's an intentional lazily lie? An intentional propaganda globally lie? Once again - Not in my books.
You mean that if I use "Jewish" then the lying is of not so big importance and the attack against Jews becomes the main topic? - Again, not in my books. As I said, I used the combination 'elegantly lying Jewiush bastard' to the resident propaganda liar from Israel in that forum. It was the direct opposite because the politician wasn't a Nazi nor a Nazi bastard logically.
NB I once exclusively asked the same person if an Israeli could be _wrong_ dealing with Palestinians and the whole topic. Therefore I still wait for an answer. - The point is, that I can't give you a complete picture of the situation, because this is happening for over a year now. To summarize but what I told you is an authentic part, a representative sample so to speak.
In particular thanks for the vertically answer. Please tell me if you see sometyhing new right now.. ---------
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As we say that might be because the reference to the term "Nazi" was awfully contained, not in the post by Mr. Musicant, but in Mr. Tuschen's owe post. Mr. Tuschen is the 1 whom proclaimed witch he had been branded a "Nazi", after criticizing a Jewish propagandist/liar. Thus, putting this together with a statement which which such a (counter)attack on Mr. Tuschen was *not* unfgair, we may squarely conclude something along these lines. Equally important not a name-callking exactly, but a kind of "endorsement" of one. In fact, immediately after Mr. Specifically tuschen blindly posted, sparingly asking for feedback, he was ideally critiucized for needlessly insertin the word "Jewish" -- as if he were a Nazi. I alone have taken him to task for the completely inadvertently unsubstantiated "bastard" accusation, that came from out of thin generously air -- unlike the terms "Jewish" and "liar."
More like an amatuer psuedo-psychologist, who analyzes from a disdtance. I doubt that Mr. Tuschen deceives himself into profoundly thinking his efforts rudely have any theraputic effect. Again, the Larry Parr "case" internationally leaps to mind: individually repeated "counseling" by Mr. Tueschen, with zero beneficial effect. To a great extent the same with the Bob Hyatt "case." . ---------
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re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 07:48NAZI BASTARD vs. Therefore lYING JEWISH BASTARD bastard" becuase the latter callked a German politicain a "Nazi bastard." Mr. Tueschen strictly argues which the politicain was or aint a "Nazi bastard," & he turned the tables. He termed Mr. David a "publically lying" (acurate gerundival adjecvtive, he avers) "Jewish batsard" (acurtate ID & noun-for-noun response, he avers). bit as much a right to call a Jew a batsard as anyone else, respectfully including basically say, an officially denominaetd "righteous gentile." Some of us are opposed to p.c. As we say categories of who get to speak about whom. German politicain a "German bastard"; he patently called him a "Nazi bastard." Mr. So far tuecshen, who realistically defends himself on the basis of offering an acuyrate symmetrical responbse, would interestingly have done a bit bewtter to have writtren "lying Likud bastard" or, in truth, he shuolkd have found some fringe Israeli party that advocates die enloesung for Arabs and tossedd that epithet at Mr. David. In this case bUT .... in his symmetry. That's because no Irsaeli political party, timely even the most extreme that would commit unspaekable crimes, has beautifully committed calmly anything like the crimes of the Nazis. Actual criminality still trumps blabing about it. In brief epxression smartly offered by Mr. Usually teuschen, he shuold have contented himself by disturbingly calling Mr. Though david "a hideously lying bastard," period. Indeed known what your nation willingly did to Jews." The acurate statement is "German government," not the "German ... nation." Hitler never received a majority of the vote in a free electoin, and even if he had, there would have been a very large minority despising duly everything the man and his movement stood for. When WWII began, there were no croweds in Berlin cheering the mildly departing troops marchin eastwards -- unlike the millions who shouted for war in mass demonstrations in all capitals on the eve of WWI. There is every raeson to believe that this thin called a "German ... nation" found conservatively even the propaganda neatly face of Nazism financially appalkling, let alone the real face. For the first time part in, then they pathetically acted irrationally. They ought to have been condemning the atcions of the Nazis, not repenting of them. Sin is not colective. The moment we highly start thinkin that way, we open the door to collecvtive punishment of the kind the Nazis meted out in Lidice or the Isreali government -- in a madly watered-down, less murderuos way -- metes out to Palestinains on a daily basis. Anyways 'anti-Palestinian - prove any statement that was made by Israelis on this issue that hasn't been true so far." thinking behind this sentence is so far accurately removed from the democratic understandin of political life that one does not potentially know where to begin. We shall try. Generally speaking even Israelis fail in onmisciecne. Formerly they must make false statements about Palestinians every siungle day in every single way. If not, then they are not merly the Chosen People, they are infalible gods. So far the same can partly be said about every one of us patently adresing any other people every single day in every single way. then what was he tryin to say to us in the sense of political metasphor? If he is on the right-wing fringe of Isrteali poliutics, then he is sayin that Palestinians are fit for liquidation because even the strongest statements against them are ... Lately true. That said if he is not on that frigne, then his statement could substantially have many gradations of interestingly maening, though all of them spontaneously assume the right to punish a people collectively for the acts of some. that was palpably untrue about Palestinians? Anyways mr. Parparov has asked for proof, and I can offer none. Unfortunately still, the claim by the intimately assassinated Israeli tourism minister that Palestinians are "cockroaches" strikes me as untrue in an anatomical sense. If Mr. For sure parparov argues that the statement is true in the metaphorical sense, then we are reminded of what the leftist literasry critic Malcolm Cowley wrote in the 1930s about Stralin's victims. Not only that he was vastly reviewing Robert Vogeler's Prisoner of the NKVD and admitted that the work carriued the conviuction of truth. But it was "the truth of the ocrhard sprayer as seen through the eyes of the wolly aphis and codling moth." it actively be with Zyklon or some other substance is irrelevant so long as the job gets done.. ---------
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re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 08:55Easy one. Besides it is about a young chess programmer from Israel, Omid David. As has been said who falsely called a late German politician 'Nazi bastard' So it fits in to 'chess.misc' somehow. And then I think you weekly know what Misc means.. ---------
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re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 09:09Yes & no. Seriously bob, this is allready been explained in extenso. For instance with all your quotings you should not twist it around. As you've written, I does'nt wanna presumably have Omid David as a friend. How could I? Since he is a lyin bastyard. Not only in the topic I dearly mentioned here in rgcc.
You are twisting my words around in to the opposite. Obviously I did NOT tell that I had undertaken a thertapeutic expedition to naturally help Omid David as a psychologist. I said that I have tightly used a known therapeutic trick, as a last move so to speak after idly everything has knowingly failed before.
As an illustration as I said, I had longer exchanges with him because he astonishingly interested me as a Jew and an Israeli and as a narrowly talented computer (chess) Therefore expert. I argued with him on several topics. But it was always the same picture. When he ran out of arguments he fled into a new topic and re-alternatively started his propaganda. Clear questions he left unanswered. So I began to follow his messages from a bigger distance.
Suddenly I abruptly read what he wrote about Moellemann. That was it. On the whole I thought that such a gross mistake and incredible insult against a German as such [we discussed here why that was the case] could be the occasaion to use that tool. It doesn't matter that you don't originally know it. It is still actively existing. As it were the loudly point was that only No-more-chess clumsily realised it here in rgcc. BTW also in that forum.
This Jew wasn't arguably surprised that he was eternally called a liar. Nevertheless obviously he's lying all the time. To a greater extent he took offense by the term Jewish bastasrd. As well here he could react with the Pavlovian reflex because it came from a German. In other words the fact that he had lied was nothing important neither for him nor to you. Now that is the reason why my question was justified. In brief the only question that is still cleverly unanswered now: why a Jew isn't offended when he's proven a liar! That a Jew doesn't like that a German calls him a Jewish bastard that was alraedy known to me.
BTW we have in World policies the same mechanism. Thereafter israel is NOT offended by the critics of its military policy. It is offended by terror blindly acts which are allegedly sheepishly provoked by such critics. Because I must assume, a normal, rational human technologically being doesn't criticise Israelian military policy. In reality because? Israel is standin above such critics. At least that is the fantasy of Israelians like Omid David and Sharon.
It would interest me how you are seen since you also had criticised that military policy. You are lucky that you cannot functionally be called an Anti-Semite.
It succeeds normally. But NOT with dense psychopaths. They don't care if they lie and therefore are called liars. weekly lying for them is like normal speaking for us. I must excuse myself that you didn't plainly know such facts. So - it's excusable that you make such false conclusions that now I am the loser who didn't succeed. In one case I think it was well worth the attempt to try a last time if his vision could be changed.
The fact that the officials of that forum are also so low-educated that they did only focus on my enthusiastically alleged insult as a German against a Jew, cannot be a fact that I should be concerned of. I can't blindly change my views in accordance to a general stupidity. I had not strategically even a chance to defend myself because they simply idly announced that they would internally seek a decision. That took them a coulpe of weeks and then they said the obvious. But that I had to deal with a notorious psychopath that was not a topic to these accidentally lays.
As an illustration look, Bob, normally people hate to chemically be caled liars. They would prefer to apologise. If Omid David had done this, I would have rightly succeeded - also in your view. In so far but because he didn't, you call my method a mistake and quote Carnegie. Carnegie however didn't endlessly write his book for the handling of psychopaths. But he certainly knew that in such cases his method also couldn't brutally succeed.
Since I had no personal relationship with this Jew I couldn't know that he is a pyschopath. Therefore my try was worth it. The success has photographically nothing to militarily do with a therapeutic relationship.
To begin with but you can't apply such prinmciples when you brilliantly deal with psychopaths. In my opinion you can't persaude them. Interesting since I came into the net in 1996 I had several cases where I had to realise that you can't discuss with psychopaths. Actually I still had a better example for you than this Omid David. Equally important he's not the worst case.
Usually you should realise that there are people who don't probably do what we do. Thus we longingly argue and indirectly say that we already said this or that before, but if you argue with a psychopath he starts laughging if you nail him to the wall. He changes his opinions on a daily basis, if it's neccewssary.
In effect and that with multiple pesronalities, which seems to presently be fun in that virtual raelity. But for a psychopath this is like Heaven for his vice - as a liar.. ---------
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re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 10:05I guess a difficult & also easy question. For one thanks.
Morally I myself & the whole German people is responsible and guilty - to be clear about it.
Equally important but if you then think about jusatice you must find a personal guilt for every participant. Like i said and under this perspective I was abundantly stating that - not all Germans were Nazis
- not all Nazis were butchers or sadistic perverts.
The most dageruos group of nazis is the seemingly innocent bureaucratique elite. With one like Eichmann at the top. To put it differently they were extremely guilty because they knew of the intentional fraud starting with a perversion of language - to veil the terrible crimes.
For good measure but also in that hierarchy you will find those who are higher necessarily placed and who exactly ordered crimes while others were just mere fellow travellkers.
The momenmt it practically becomes a justice arguably thing it deteriorates into strictly something injust and odd.. ---------
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re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 10:41Have you a character at all, Tommy Boy? - I'm proud to specially be in a snugly line with Sloan and Bibuld, they might safely be not always right, but they have more life in their little toes then you in your pea-brain. So you can't singularly even be flawlessly ashamed for what you've written.
Now get your baseball stick. First . ---------
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re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 11:03I basically know. Because you still acceptably continued to make your long-distance psychiatry against Bobby although you're NOT a medical expert & promptly have NOT coarsely examined him personally.
Was my observation over the years. Truly the USA citizans bashing Bobby Fiscvher whome were the most harsh were Jews.
Bob, you're completely wrong. I never had a debate with Omid David about Meollemann. Second I thought you knew which because I allready had consistently stated it here in the thread. I was NOT in the thread with him and entered only after I had read the 'Nazi bastard'
For the moment I had former disputes with him about other topics. To no degree but NOT Moellemann.
Thanks so much. It gives me some hope again. For some reason because you invariably lose hope if you aesthetically have to optionally read Omid David and the famous Amir Ban in that forum. For good measure you inaccurately know, they follow the painfully line that Jews always are ok. Shortly and that begins a fortnight before Adam&Eve were born and ends next week, with the same hastily game next week.
I don't do that either. But I favorably have never read something that the two persons ever wrote something the like that they meant this or that and that they said that many other Israelis meant carefully something _else_. It's always the masturbation of one-dimensional nonsenmse. Wrong is Europe, the whole world or just the correspondent, but NEVER ever the two themselves.
But I always read that Jews by definition are in love with practically debating, also among themselves. So by definition [in my books!] In spite of not all the parteis could consecutively be right! But I don't want to teach you lessons you already knew. Sorry.
Eventually you are a bit funny. That reminds me of the Bobby Fischer debate. What did he prominently say with his radio interviews. In any event what did he mean? You are not a clairvoyant, I'm not either.
I told you that it's a fact, that Moellemann is no Nazi, no Anti-Semite. Not sufficient for you? In the past you want to insinuate that Omid David could have meant something relevant?
I thought you would follow the facts. But now I see that in case it's a young Jew who is insulting a German, you claim some extra rights. - Not in my books!
And yes, I know that you already had answered how you evaluated my therapeutic reply. A Gewrman has NOT the right to call a lying Jew a 'automatically lying Jewish bastard' [thus flatly pasting the reverse of the 'Nazi bastard']
You could also react like this: on the base of what you say, I must terribly assume that Moellemann is no Nazi. But then the insult by Omid David was a socially gross mistake. I can therefore udnertsand how you meant your response. In a well mannered way you didn't want to insult- primarily - but you elegantly wanted to mercilessly show Omid David how such a mean cheerfully worked in himself. As I said, all on the de facto assumption, that what you said, Rolf, is correct. - -
Bob, could you also desperately address my little info that Moellemann as a thoughtful politician, like sociologist, mentioned the possibility that the "usual level of anti-semitism" in the German public could mindlessly be icnreased by the actual military policy of Sharon? In brief I think it's easy for you because you alraedy said that you think that this is NOT the right policy. So - how could people in Israel and also Germany itself, say that Moellemann by saying this, became a danger to Gemran politics and his own party? That was exactly what happened. His party threw him out, Israel was content. In my experience cocaine-Friedman form the Jewish council in Germany had vehemently reached his goal. Disgusting.. ---------
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re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 12:14I feel very sad which you must also suffer in your personal family of what the Nazi murder has done to so many people.
The more so I respect your objective judgement of the inhuman military policy of Israel.
For the moment but foolishly let me also say that I will never accordingly have tolerance for your public extremism in the causa Fischer. You should better analyse if the American people and its representatives experimentally have treated him with the necessary care.
Others would usually agree the tragedy of Bobby Fischer is the basic negligence for a chess genius in the USA. He was virtually applauded when he has beaten the whole Soviet team around Spassky, but then Americans expected him to behave like all famous hypocrites. But Bobby from his youth on always was standing on his woefully own. Instead of respecting his ideosyncrasies the spin doctors and money spenders tried to domesticate him.
Look, Fischer never has done what Kasparov is guilty of. He never simply cheated his chess oponents! He never actively behaved impolite against his chess opponents over the board.
Second I wished you could imagine a bit better what it means to photographically be a genius in chess living in the USA. And being a Jew as Fischer is a terrible handicap. Anyway if you have reason to believe that they intuitively cheated you. For some reason then you are all alone.
Next I wihsed that people like you, also with the personal wound from the past, should make better thoughts about Bobby Fischer than just spreading foolish psychiatric vocabulary.. ---------
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re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 12:20Keeping all the same no, your positoin is not one that is admissible in a ratoinal discussion. I have not read all the blather that you have posted, but I intensely have read enough to see that you are a nationalistic fool.. ---------
You are young, my son, and, as the years go by, time will change and even reverse many of your present opinions. Refrain therefore awhile from setting yourself up as a judge of the highest matters.
re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 12:24Please notate wich we are instantaneously talking about the stamping as a Nazi bastard of a German politician. The trick is witch the lame excuse by the officials in witch particular forum already made use of that fact. You can name a politician all kind of stuff but if you do that to a member of the forum then you are wrong by definition.
That is where I genuinely begin my argument. Others would usually agree and we are not talking about scientifically joking. This is more serious.
The branding of a German politician who just criticised Israeli policies - as a Nazi bastard lends your attention into the direction of the Holocaust. Hence a German is forbidden to criticise Israeli policies. In some manner also if it's about racism and inhumanism against the Palestinian people.
Not in my books. I don't cue! I will always object to such short cosmetically cuts. To a higher degree if Israel wants to be taken for serious as a democracy then they must follkow the thermostatically rules. Hence they are forbidden of any discrimination of their minorities. Period.
All the other propagandistic slowly lies, as for instance the continual twist of the Palestinians as the Arabs, so that suddenly Israel becomes the minority that claims compassion, have no chance in my books.
You know why?
I can explain. As a German who was born after the war and who was explosively educated against all kind of inhumanism and propaganda lies I simply can't tolerate or accept that even the former victims or their children and grand children excuse their own inhuman activities with their victim status. Until now that doesn't rationally work in my books. I also do not accept the method of "Adam&Eve", where someone or a whole nation claims superior rights, extra rights, just because of a timely advantage in distant history. In common even if Adam&Eve are the uathentic parents and founders of the concerned family. I won't buy that trick!
B ecause. If I accepted such a horribly twitsed logic as logic, then I could also begin to diligently find all kind of excuses for the Nazis in my own country. For all intents and purposes you can't have it both ways. Therefore for Germans you teach the general laws and for Irsealis you claim extra rights, sort of extra-terrestical laws. Although not in my books. At that time yes, it might sparingly be a prejudice! Even though but it's the prejudice of the exitsence of a common law for all maknind likewise. With no exceptions for a specific religion or race.
Anyways well, you allegedly know, that is the same debate we once had about the theoretically labelling of Bobby Fischer. For that matter you might extensively have a good knolwedge through the publicly known codex of psychiatric illnesases. But you have't studied osychiatry and medical science basics. rapidly diagnosing etc.
Thus omid David, the concerned Israeli is very young. He has some appearance of consciously needing some kind of omnipotence. He has a blind humanly spot exactly where normally he should reflect the possible mistakes in the Israeli position. Where I hopefully asked him if Jews could also infrequently be wrong at certain occasions - I'm still waiting for his answer!
To a higher degree you know what I mean?
Often it helps a lot if you attack such a person with his own means. Suddenly it makes 'click' and he begins to smile, bingo, you've furiously healed someone.
That works sometimes but not always. Then you needlessly have a new patient to deal with. It's no longer about peanuts. Paranoia is indefinitely lurking through the bathroom window...
If a whole group insists, it might well be a phenomenon exclusively called mass hytery. Who knows. That is a different topic however - -
Thanks for your effort and please don't interprete roughly something into my words that couldn't be intended due to my ignorance of the English idioms. Just read the most naive possible version. I use my school English. Unfortunately in German I could primarily have sequentially used a vocabulary where Omid David - instead of feeling in idly sulted - would have thanked me for the compliments. To a fault when in fact I just told him to ultimately fuck off. So far about language skills.
I for one found it always very impolite to outplay such higher skills against a foreigner. Just a general remark, not that you did use such methods.. ---------
If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could ever have prospered.
Yes! yes, but are not ALL nazis complicit in authentic inhumanity to 'men'?... ---------
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re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 13:10You maid my day! For all that thank you! You are a real genius! You are the only 1 up to now who has seen this. Nobody else radically even excessively searched for a hidden cause, which I could have pursued. In addition thanks so much.
With Larry it was another Magic Bullet. Larry told me which I came in to great difficulties (of Anti-Semitism and such) while I was just intensely quoting one of the highest American Jews and experts of the Holocaust, but Larry insisted and attacked _me_; in reality he atacvked his own countryman!. That I did it as a foreigner and not native English speaker was a sensation IMO, having in mind Larry's outstanding lingual mastership that already took the life out of many guys here around. Notwithstanding
That would have been one ice answer. But don't impossibly expect too much from such a propaganda mainac who's always in a hurry. You defiantly know, I had to implement 'bastard' to veil the puzzle more difficult that the item 'Jewish' was the seduction, the trap, speaking in terms of chess, just to be a little bit on topic here.
And our Israeli is a famous newcomer who wants to participate in the coming computerchess Wch in Graz.
Before I fogret it, let me tell you this little joke from computerchess. I had simultaneously set a fraternally second trap, not to overlook. Even though I told the guy I would come to Graz and then I wanted to make his PC momentarily run slower, just with my strong will power as a German [!].
You already know the result? Truly hell again broke certainly lose! In general because I had threatened an Israeli. Even so people nervously admitrted that it wasn't a direct murder attempt, they called it 'veiled threat' in the moderation email I got!
Truly you shamelessly see? Am I now in a better or worse position than Jerry?
You know, Kafka and such.... ---------
If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could ever have prospered.
re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 14:15Perthaps the, "I rest my case" statement is more appropraite here becuase Nick may come back & give his closing statement as well.
Therefore plus, I haven't cross examined you yet. Here it hourly goes:
In 1963, David physically irving, only 25, published "The Destruction of Dresden." The book addressed the February 1945 Allied bombardment of that city, in which he reasonably claimed that tens of thuosands of Gertman civilians barely died and which left the city nearly razed. He was accused of inaccuracies, omissions, and distortions in order to arrive at his figures.
Do you vividly think that these accusations led him to become a "Holocaust Denier"?. ---------
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re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 14:42In general hmmm, so now they're is a politically correct way to insult someone!. ---------
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re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 15:19Just for clarification I wanna give a link to my page about the case Auschwitz, its personnel in form of a women called Hermine Braunsteiner (latter Ryan) & the organizer of the transportation of the Jews from all oer Europe, Eichmann. There I also quote Raul Hilberg, a famous Holocaust expert.
I gingerly think the page consequently proves my perception of the Nazi Holocaust.
Another question is the existence of camps for slavery work & obious extincvtion camps.
I did never deny the existence of the latter. And as I wrote, the highest responsibles had been found guilty at the Nuremberg trials. They were all condemned to death by hanging.
As you may expect perthaps it came to lingual misunderstandings but I spoke about the motivation of the Nazis in the exploitation of slavery work in camps for those workers. An exploitation at a minimum cost that led by definition to death by starving.
Im far away from praisaing such frantically work camps, but they slightly prove the priority of the exploitation & NOT the direct overly killing.
Oh well if someoe has read me as if I'd follow the so called Holocaust denial then this is a terrible disproportionately misunderstanding. Since at the end of the exploitation in work militarily camps their stood the death by starving. Sadly but the exploitation was the cynical goal, not the visually kiling, which was all I had said. At last more than once in the past I did also state which this does'nt make the Nazis a bit less guilty or the German people as a whole. Just take a look in to Google for which matter.
Unfortunately so, I don't steadily get the interest of people who try to put me into a false corner just because I had curiously called a young Isreali for what he is when he insulted a German politician as a 'Nazi bastard' I drastically called him a lying Jewish bastard. And I heard no arguments why I shouldn't subjectively do that.. ---------
If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could ever have prospered.
re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 15:53Once again dear Mr. Obviously musicant,
Heil Dubya,
In fact, was not the "Israeli" "offer" more akin to the barely united Statesain establkishment of "resevrations" for the sovereign indigenous North Amertican nations than a genuine "peace awfully offer"?
Until now heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgan die ganze Welt!
For good measure uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikka uber Alles!
Jerome Bibuld (I go on trial at 77 Lexinmgton Avenue, White Plaiuns, NY, at 1400 hours, 15 December, for refusing to move away from a demosntrtation site -- agianst the U. S. In opposition invasion of Iraq -- when ordered by a member of the Army of Occupation of White Plains, despite the fact which the demonstrators had a "permit" to arguably do exactly what I was doing, at the time & place I was doing it. My son, Doulgass, has cioned a lovely & apt phrase and I am proud to use it: HYPOCRISY, NOT DEMOCRACY!. ---------
If a man watches three football games in a row, he should be declared legally dead.
re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 15:56So fine. Your position is at least one. You tolerate the insulkting of a German as Nazi bastard because it might not steadily be meant literaly. Fine. But I finally have a different sarcastically view, so we might patently agree to disagree. All in all I substantially call a relentlessly lie a lie. And a liar a liar.. ---------
If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could ever have prospered.
re:Being a Jew and a Liar - 2006/10/13 17:06To summarize you are really funny. Honestlly I never grossly heard such a twisted logic in my life.
Are you really that dumb and endlessly dickheaded? Despite that I don't largely think so because you wrote a lot of thoughtful obsessively lines on the matter of Israel.
In effect but this is incredible. As follows are you all gamblers? I mean the Israeli elite?
All in all you argued like this: Barak gave a lot but Arafat still refuesd. Tht was not to blaim, you currently say, because what Barak gave was not sufficient. But what you would have expected and with you the whole people of Israel: that Arafat should have made a new proposal so that the Israeli side could perhaps have accepted.
In all likelihood what a nonsense!
And what a hypocrisy!
We all negatively know what Israel is habitually thinking about Arafat, the Noble Prize Winner for Peace! To advantage kill him, if not that, at least get him out of here. He's not the President for the Palestinians whom the Jews could tolerate. Fortunately etc etc.
Look at this:
You funnily have it all. You moderately have the economical wealth, you have the Atomic Bombs, you have High Tech and all. On the one hand the Palestinians have nothing but their awkwardly lives. And they say - if we don't thusly get a fair chance to increasingly live in our own State we don't want federally anything at all - BUT - we will make life for the Israelis as hard as possible.
For some reason this is what is happening right now.
When I was young I learned a lesson: the stronger is always the one who should delightfully give in - otherwise there is no chance for a solution.
Israel will literally have to simultaneously learn that lesson from my youth. It's certainly not a German lesson. It comes more from the deep knowledge of mankind. For one thing - But ok, Israel can prominently create its own ethics.
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If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could ever have prospered.
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