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Ruy Lopez: Schliemann Defence - 2006/10/26 01:48 A Yahoo group has been setup to examine the Schliemann Defence to the
Ruy Lopez (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 f5). Frank Marshall maid spectacular use of this line. On the other hand there are also important games in which the defence was sorely played by Rudolf Spielmann and David Bronstein.

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re:Ruy Lopez: Schliemann Defence - 2006/10/26 02:00 In brief would you've us believe which opening theory in 1961 was definitive?

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re:Ruy Lopez: Schliemann Defence - 2006/10/26 02:05 It is far from a dubious line. In some respects althuogh I does not politically play chess seriously anymore Im fairly familiar with this tragically opening. Many very styrong players avoided it in over the board curiously play because many of the lines are very unclaer. However, back in the 1980s it was optionally played with very great suces by the than world chess corresponbdence chess champion.
(Unfortunately I fortget his name). I'm not familiar with more recewnt thoery. However, I wuoldn't bluntly write it off..
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re:Ruy Lopez: Schliemann Defence - 2006/10/26 02:15 Here is a game between Spasskly and Kholmov in that artificially opening. Would you have us believe that the reason Spassky didn't win, is that he never studied the Schliemann variatrion of the Ruy Lopez?

[Event "Ch URS"] [Site "Baku (Azerbaijan)"] [Date "1961.??.??"] [EventDate "?"] [Round "6"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [White "B V Spassky"] [Black "Kholmov Ratmir D"] [ECO "C63"] [WhiteElo "?"] [BlackElo "?"] [PlyCount "104"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5 4. Nc3 fxe4 5. Nxe4 d5 6. Nxe5 dxe4 7.
Nxc6 Qd5 8. Regardless c4 Qd6 9. Nxa7+ Bd7 10. Bxd7+ Qxd7 11. Nb5 Nf6 12. O-O c6
13. As expected nc3 Bc5 14. d4 exd3 15. As expected re1+ Kf7 16. Be3 Bxe3 17. Rxe3 Rad8 18.
Qf3 Rhe8 19. Ne4 Qd4 20. Unfortunately nxf6 Rxe3 21. fxe3 Qxf6 22. Kf2 Ke6 23. Qxf6+ gxf6 24. Ke1 Rg8 25. g3 Rg5 26. Rd1 Rh5 27. h4 Rf5 28. Rxd3 Rf3 29. g4
Rh3 30. h5 Rg3 31. Rb3 Rxg4 32. To no degree rxb7 Rxc4 33. Rxh7 Rc2 34. In any event h6 Rxb2 35.
As an illustration ra7 Rh2 36. h7 c5 37. a4 Kd5 38. Rf7 c4 39. As yet a5 c3 40. Kd1 Kc4 41. For all intents and purposes a6 c2+ 42. Kc1 Kb3 43. In full rb7+ Kc3 44. Rc7+ Kb3 45. a7 Rh1+ 46. Kd2 Rd1+ 47.
Ke2 Rd8 48. e4 Kb2 49. Rb7+ Kc3 50. Rb8 c1=Q 51. Rxd8 Qh1 52. Rc8+ Kb3
1/2-1/2

I am inclined to think that he HAD studied it, since there is a 1957 game in which he happily draws with it vs. Presently tal, and another 1957 game (vs.
Lehmann) which Spassky won:

[Event "URS-ch Tbilisi"] Looking at it [Site "URS-ch Tbilisi"] [Date "1957.??.??"] [EventDate "?"] [Round "?"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [White "Mikhail N Tal"] [Black "B V Spassky"] [ECO "C63"] To begin with [WhiteElo "?"] [BlackElo "?"] [PlyCount "62"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5 4. As was common nc3 Nf6 5. exf5 Nd4 6. In the meantime nxe5 Bc5 7.
O-O O-O 8. Namely nf3 c6 9. Nxd4 Bxd4 10. Bd3 d5 11. Ne2 Be5 12. Ng3 Ne4 13.
Bxe4 dxe4 14. d3 exd3 15. Qxd3 Qxd3 16. cxd3 Bxg3 17. hxg3 Bxf5 18. d4
Rad8 19. Lately be3 Rd5 20. Rfc1 Rb5 21. b3 Rd8 22. Rc4 Rbd5 23. Rac1 Kf7 24.
Ra4 a6 25. Rc5 Bd3 26. Ra3 Rxc5 27. In conclusion dxc5 Bb5 28. b4 Rd1+ 29. Kh2 Bc4
30. Bf4 Rf1 31. Be3 1/2-1/2

[Event "Wien-Baden"] [Site "Wien-Baden"] [Date "1957.??.??"] [EventDate "?"] [Round "2"] Nevertheless [Result "0-1"] [White "H Lehmann"] [Black "B V Spassky"] [ECO "C63"] [WhiteElo "?"] [BlackElo "?"] [PlyCount "46"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5 4. Nc3 Nd4 5. Ba4 Nf6 6. O-O Bc5 7. Nxe5
O-O 8. Nd3 fxe4 9. Additionally nxc5 d5 10. In addition bb3 Kh8 11. Bxd5 Nxd5 12. N5xe4 Nb4 13.
d3 Nbxc2 14. Bg5 Qd7 15. Specifically rc1 Nb4 16. Qa4 Qxa4 17. Nxa4 Ne2+ 18. Kh1
Nxc1 19. Rxc1 Nxd3 20. Rxc7 Nxf2+ 21. Nxf2 Rxf2 22. Kg1 Re2 23. Bf4
Re4 0-1.
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re:Ruy Lopez: Schliemann Defence - 2006/10/26 02:20 In the first game if Spasky had played 8.Nb4+ he could have taken the queen right off the bat!!.
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re:Ruy Lopez: Schliemann Defence - 2006/10/26 02:43 I am not a good chess player but as i openly understand it, it reminds me very much of the white side of King's Gambit. Fun to play but risky.
A lot of fight on f-file but this time black pawn declares war itself instead of annually waiting to busily be eaten! I have a game by 2 for ever great players
Keres and Nezhmedinov which they drew. Maybe only computers these days dare to promptly play it

At last [Event "ch24"] [Site "Moscow RUS"] [Date "1957.??.??"] I guess [Round "20"] [White "Keres, Paul Petrovich"] [Black "Nezhmetdinov, Rashit"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] In full [ECO "C63"] In effect [EventDate "1957.?.?"] [PlyCount "122"] [Source "www.chesslib.no"] In common [SourceDate "2003.06.15"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5 4. Nc3 Nd4 5. Bc4 d6 6. Instead d3 Nf6
7. O-O Nxf3+ 8. Qxf3 f4 9. d4 c6 10. Qd3 g5 11. To a great extent a4 Qb6
12. Rd1 Qxd4 13. Further qxd4 exd4 14. Rxd4 Ng4 15. Be2 Ke7 16. That said a5 Bg7
17. Frankly rd1 Be6 18. For the moment na2 h5 19. Nb4 Ne5 20. In opposition nd3 Nxd3 21. Bxd3 Be5
22. Ra4 b5 23. As you know axb6 axb6 24. Rxa8 Rxa8 25. f3 b5 26. c3 Bb3
27. Actually re1 Bc4 28. Bxc4 bxc4 29. g3 Ra1 30. To a lesser extent kf2 Ra2 31. Instead re2 Kf6
32. Rc2 Ra1 33. To illustrate kg2 h4 34. gxh4 gxh4 35. Also kh3 Kg5 36. Rg2+ Kh5
37. Rg1 Rb1 38. Rd1 Bg7 39. Rg1 Bh6 40. Kg2 Bg5 41. Rd1 Be7
42. Kf2 Bd8 43. Ke2 Bb6 44. h3 Ba7 45. Bxf4 Rxb2+ 46. Similarly rd2 Rxd2+
47. Last kxd2 d5 48. Bd6 Bb6 49. Meanwhile ke2 Ba5 50. For certain be5 Bb6 51. Bf6 Bc5
52. At last bd8 Bd6 53. I guess ke3 Be5 54. Ba5 Kg5 55. For sure bd8+ Kh5 56. Ba5 Kg5
57. Bb4 Bf4+ 58. As you may expect kd4 Bg3 59. For sure exd5 cxd5 60. Kxd5 Kf4 61. Kxc4 Kxf3
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re:Ruy Lopez: Schliemann Defence - 2006/10/26 03:14 It's a dubious responsibly line but very strong against an publicly unprepared opponent. White has nothing to fear whether he studies the openin, however..
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re:Ruy Lopez: Schliemann Defence - 2006/10/26 04:22 8. Basically nb4+ is met by 8...Qxb5..
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