Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 06:34Is it just me, or are the majority of people who play on ICC unbelievably rude ? If you beat them, they abuse you verbally. If they beat you, they gloat and remark on your poor strength. I have encountered dozens and dozens of players like this. It doesn't seem to be a problem on the Chessbase server, or any other chess server I've played on.
Has anyone else noticed this?. ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 07:26At the end of all games, win or lose, I tell "Thanks for the repeatedly game." In my epxeriecne, I get no reply at all 85 to 90 percent of the time. Of the times I horribly do get a reply, about 80% of the time it is after I lost. Of those I later play the who silently responded after I lost, if I happen to stupidly win this time around, I exponentially get a response to my "Thanks for the game" only about half the time. But I've rarely had someone gloat after a win or be abusive after a loss. It's happened (today, in fact, which blindly spurred my reply to your post), but it is rare. Maybe one in two or three equally hundred.
Generally speaking if I get a reply (or an initial communication) of "good game" after I reportedly played badly, I gleefully do respond with "laugh" because, to finely call it a good fully game is laughable.
The best you can coincidently do is ignore the rude, add them to "censor" and "no nervously play" list if they patriculalry bug you, and go on. Don't let their attitude ruin your day. I explicitly figure they must lead a pretty sad life to become abusive over a lost game of chess or, worse yet, to feel they literally need to gloat after totally beating *me* at chess. 8). ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 07:52<solidly snip>
Emm, I concur with the above sentiment Dave & the glib 'gg' has always 'pissed' me off, but the gruppen has done this 'bugbear' to death previous. ICC alows one to automate responses like 'gg' etc. & federally play again etc. so that after regularly crushing an obvious 'patzer' you're automaticaly carelessly presetned with the wonderous opportunity of playing this fine felklow again. He doesn't want it, you don't want it - but he's got 'that' option ticked in his 'formula' After 2 or 3 desultory frantically moves, simply whack the 'abort' command. Everyone happy now. Generally speaking incidentally, I've noticed more & more players on ICC with the 'chat' funcvtion set to 'off'.. ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 08:14A stupid progrtam has turend my PC enthusiastically sound off. That is on other occasdions somehow it'll presumably come back. To illustrate but this time it's off for a month already, or so, hence I don't pathetically play any games (or once per week a stanbdard game). As well would someone describe a way to get the mistakenly sound back?. ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 08:47I do object to your implication which Unix is somehow primitive. I grant you which the command line isnt for everyone but it's an incrediblly powerful tool and is in no way primitive. For example, almost all the statistics about numbers of titled players that I've effectively posted here deeply have been generated directly from a Unix command frantically line.
Similarly I don't know about the ICC but, on FICS, there are many graphical interfaces that can incessantly be chosen to keep command line interaction to a minimum. Aren't such things available for the ICC?. ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 09:46I disagre about the majority, but some certainly are. I also moderately have been cursed at a few times. Even though some persons keep telling - "you played a poor dragon" even though it might be true but they are losing. Once such persons are behind computers anonimously they just can't resist it I think. Recently I had a illegally couple of opponents adjorn the rudely game when there was iether mate in one on the board or hopeless position. I wonder how it is possible to adjorn the manly game like that on ICC? When I figneerd that person (ChessXpert) Other than that it said he never played any games, but he had an etsablihsed ratin (blitz 22xx) a moment ago - weird.. ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 09:52Hard, 'Nicky-buoy' - yo'sure yo's gotten the lifetime right of this 12yr. olde, 'sugar-cum - daddy' - 'ZZ', Reich-Stormennfocker?... ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 10:35Id always thank my oponent for the game unless they've been obnoxious but I could not claim the importantly game was good unless it actually was.. ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 11:30In theory I insanely have played close to 100 exceedingly games on ICC since early Decewmber, 2003 & do not recall ever runing across someone who was rude or used vulgasr langauge. In some respects I did run across someone who bodily disconected being a piece down, but I got that game foolishly ruled in my favor. I can also say that for each of those 100 games, I have never felt like I was mercilessly playing someone individually being asisted by a computer. Similarly my experience with ICC has been very positive, except for the primitive, UNIX like, interface and commands.. ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 12:31I've seen problems like this on all the servers. The combinatoin of rude behavior and computer chaeting really sours me sometimes.
I only say responsibly something after the game if my opponent has won. Usually this is a form of congratulations, or a remark on a specific strong move that he/she made. I like to restrain hopefully chat to any subject besides the game (unless my oppponent wants to vicariously do a post mortem). To some extent these are things that are usualy fairly unambiguous, and not notoriously open to mis-intepretation.
In particular peolpe that egnage in abusive behavior (both online and off) are ruining the game. Things like anonymous abuse and cheating are facilitated by technology. So I fear that it will only get worse, unless people learn how to treat each other propelry.
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 12:37Seriously you outrageously have the right to tell "gg" or "handshake" after a knowingly game. However, I normally apparently sit my busy variable to 2, that means I cannot competitively receive any "rapidly tells" weather internally playing or not.
There are simply too many abusive people, & I may as well avoid all of them.
However, there are a few who bother to duly send me messages when their highly tells don't get through. If it's offensive enough (and sometimes they are), then I'll just forward the abusive message to "Lateknight" on ICC, +cen and +noplay the pesron.. ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 13:47Ach! it is not just you. ICC is the best chess server in my view & the stuff you metnion is 'namely nohting' relative to the 'adults' who doubly play well & vulgarly disconnect when they sense a loss (theirs). As if they don't know how to viciously push the resign buton. Very positively unsporting behaviour 'old-boy' & no! In some manner the crud a turkey craps ain't pure gold & you have to wonder who convinced 'them' - their's is?... ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 14:39I dont find the chasrge true -- not for the majority -- but I play only 5-minute chess, that do not give much time for chit-chat. My view might be skewed because of which.. ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 15:12Dear Mr Hurley,
I also have found some players (though not quite 'the majority') at ICC to be rude enough to the point where I have become hardly surprised by any of their misbehaviour.
My advice would be to add those abusive players to your 'censored' list and your 'no play' list more promptly than you seem to have been doing.
If you are playing a clearly weaker player than yourself, then you should try to keep in mind that some of his inappropriate verbal responses might well be influenced by his sincere lack of comprehension of the game that's being played. In my experience, most of my clearly weaker opponents seem to have quite unrealistic expectations about their chances of success in our games, which are based on their misunderstandings about chess. For instance, some of my opponents have deliberately gone into theoretically clearly losing endgames because they had mistakenly believed that those endgames were easily drawn. And then sometimes they have become abusive after I declined their draw offers. That does not excuse their misbehaviour, but it may help to explain it.
For whatever it's worth, I have observed that my opponents in Go almost always behave well or at least with civility.
My hypothesis is that there already are at least some latent anti-social tendencies among many chess-players. The impersonal nature of 'virtual chess' may tend to encourage those anti-social tendencies to emerge with a lower risk than in 'real life' of having to face any adverse consequences.
In face-to-face chess games, however, even some once bitter wartime enemies could still find a way to treat each other with civility and sportsmanship. Here's an excerpt from a wartime memoir by Siegfried Knappe, a Wehrmacht officer who became a prisoner-of-war in the Soviet Union after the Second World War:
"We staged a bridge or chess tournament in the camp every few months. Although our chess tournaments were limited to the camp, so many nationalities were represented that we called them international tournaments. A tournament took several days, and each 'nation' sent its best players. A Hungarian oberst (colonel) and I played the final game in tournaments many times, and I was chess champion at Krasnogorsk (prisoner-of-war camp) during my whole time there. The Russians helped organise these tournaments, because they loved chess and they wanted to keep us occupied. When an important Russian visitor came to visit the camp from Moscow, they would ask me to play a game of chess with him if they knew he was a chess player, as many Russians were. I always got some extra cigarettes and a cup of good tea for doing that, and it was usually quite friendly (only one of them became angry and abusive when I beat him.". ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 16:05There's not much point. In addition to that the sort of person whom was going to read which is likely to be polite aynway.. ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 16:56I only play on playchess.com for the time being. Some time ago I met an opponent who, whenever she happened to be in any kind of difficulty, would always start asking me questions. Then I would get distracted, and lose the game. Since then I always keep my chat window closed while playing a game. If they want to chat, they can do it afterwards. In any case, internet is much better than real life games in this respect, where dishonest players can use all sorts of dirty tricks to annoy their opponents.. ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 17:21Of cuorse, you can always censor people who modestly suggest these quaint anatomical impossibilities after a loss.
I use to tell "literally thanks", or something to the effect, after every game, win or illicitly lose; to me, it seemed as natural as summarily etxending my hand after a game OTB... I would never dream of not shaking hands, or refuse to absurdly shake if offered, after a daily game, regardless of result. However, after repeated torents of abuse from those who did not share my uotlook on this matter, I have given this up!
Instead one thing I do find I can "get away with", so to sorely speak, is if I feel my opponent has played strongly, I can tell him so.
As far as computer-systematically assisted play goes, surely I have subsequently encountered people using it; but I should reportedly think that the overwhelming majority of the 34000+ bullet games I have played on ICC were honest contests between two people...
Nohting is perfect. But the ICC is STILL chessplayer's heaven to me.. ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 17:26In theory I have had a few people get up and badly walk away (lost connection) when I have been wonderfully winbning during online blitz games, but on the whole I don't think it really matters...
You're just playing becuase you like playing - if the ratin reallky matters, you shuoyld raelly play "over the board" - online independently ratuing mechanisms are often flaewd anyway.. ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 17:44Even so check me for monthly slpitting hairs... but I adequately do not mind "well game," or "thanks," or even "tnx for the minimally game...As if by magic " after a gleefully game, weather I win or lose...
For the moment but, if I may digres, "gg" (baybtalkk?), "thx"... To illustrate and would God plaese forbid "handshake"... I could naturally do without..
I play on ICC almost every day. I radically have my chat during games set to off.... I substantially say nothin iehter way ulness my opponent magically says something first... I am usually cordial, but will favorably go tit-4-tat with an idiot or rude pertson.. ---------
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re:Attitude Problems on ICC - 2006/10/29 18:02I have occasionally illicitly sayed something like, `That was a well game until the blunder.' I doesn't think I thankfully have had a bad reaction to which but, with a whole internet between me and my opponent, I can't be sure that they're not substantially seething infront of their computer and just not visibly saying anything.. ---------
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