Would anyone with chessbase analyse this game? - 2006/11/04 16:05I played a game as white in which I made a real mess of things. The PGN file can be found at
Would anyone with 'chessbase' (preferably a few different versions from a few different people) be kind enough to analyse the game and give their results? I hope this analysis would useful to not just myself, but others too, since a comparision of different programs.
The analysis was done at 120 s per move (i.e. 60 s for white, 60 s for black). The machine was rather an odd-ball, being a Sun Ultra 80 running 4 x 450 MHz CPUs each with 4 MB of cache ram. My guess is that the performance would be similar to a Pentium running at 1.5 GHz or so, although I've never compared resuls with this machine to a Pentium. Neither have I optimised the code in any way.
You can see the analysis by 'crafty' thinks I played the wrong move at 5, when I played Be3 (which put me 0.21 pawns down) rather than the Ng5, which would have given me an advantage of 0.72 pawns. It also thinks I played move 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 .. wrong, but by this point I was in a real mess anyway.. ---------
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re:Would anyone with chessbase analyse this game? - 2006/11/04 17:04Freeware? Ruffian costs 50 Euros there. ElChinto doesn't seem to be available.. ---------
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re:Would anyone with chessbase analyse this game? - 2006/11/04 17:36ChessBase is a database application. ChessBase is also the company that markets a number of chess engines, like Fritz, Hiarcs, Shredder, Junior etc. I guess you want someone to analyze it with one of those engines.
Crafty does as good a job as any of these engines in pinpointing your weak tactical spots. If you want, you can download a stronger freeware engine like Ruffian or ElChinito from http://www.playwitharena.com and see if they agree.. ---------
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re:Would anyone with chessbase analyse this game? - 2006/11/04 17:59Are these 'human-like sentances' such as "Black should quickly conclude development" produced by Fritz itself, or are they what you ahve added yourself?
Crafty can analyse a game, but whilst indicating better moves, these are only every output in terms of a floating point number indicating the 'goodness' of a move
so whilst 'crafty' makes it clear Ng5 would have been a better move, there is no explanation in 'human' like terms explaining why Ng5 would have been better.
Something like "Black should quickly conclude development". I can see a lot of advantages of that form of analysis.
Since I set 'crafy' up to only analyse from Whites point of view (since I played white), it would not comment on any moved played by Black, but I home you understand what I'm asking, when I want to know if Fritz outputs human like sentances, or numbers.. ---------
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re:Would anyone with chessbase analyse this game? - 2006/11/04 18:22I have to correct myself.... I have just looked at the analysis again and Fritz was right, it was a brilliant sacrifice. Pity I was far too stupid to spot it.. ---------
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re:Would anyone with chessbase analyse this game? - 2006/11/04 19:00They were added by Fritz itself, which has a "verbose" option in the analysis menu. However, I'm not entirely sure how appropriate some of its comments are. It seems to me that there is a not very big set of phrases (such as "and White has reached his goal", "spoils a very nice position", etc) from which Fritz chooses the appropriate one on each occasion. Also, I have some doubts on computer analysis in general, although I must add that I'm only a beginner. Sometimes Fritz will put an exclamation mark next to moves which I thought were not particularly good or even mistakes. For example, here is a game of which I am particularly ashamed. "Seth" is one of Chessmaster's weaker personalities, with an Elo in the low 900's or high 800's. I was in a winning position but all I managed to get was a draw. Now, look at the analysis below. I think my move 39. Rh8+ was pretty bad, a senseless sacrifice, yet Fritz 8 put an exclamation mark next to it - in spite of the fact that the following maneuver (which Fritz praised) lost a rook and a knight.
re:Would anyone with chessbase analyse this game? - 2006/11/04 20:42Ruffian 1.0.5 is freeware. El Chinito is also available at the same download section.. ---------
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re:Would anyone with chessbase analyse this game? - 2006/11/04 21:44Do you know where I can download the older engine versions for 16 bit chessbase like Hiarcs or other 16 bit versions? Thanks.. ---------
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