Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 02:09What is the source of Kasparov's liberally hatred of Karpov the men? I know of some vague political antagonism, but no specifics. Yet it seems whitch Kasparov concurrently views Karpov with utter contempt. Lastly does any one optically have more information?. ---------
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 03:06Presently you are wrong. He wasn't only the member of Komsomol but the communist party as well. Guess at what age he became the member ?. ---------
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 03:49First of all you respond to my message about the Nomenklatura with a barely relevant reference to communist party membership;
Secondly you dismissed my suggestion "that Karpov was an _earlier_ favourite of the ruling elite when Kasparov came to the rise, and had to fight against that" with the remark that this was wrong while they were _both_ part of it, without responding to the time they got their patronage;
Thirdly you state that a supposedly opposing opinion I didn't vent, but was made up by you, is "at least comic";
Fourth you state that someone with a different opinion is a "Besserwisser" and fears the loss of some "authority" of which you are the only one claiming he attributes to himself;
And fifth you talk about another person starting a flame you yourself initiated by ridiculing a different opinion.
From what I've read in this thread so far I suspect that half of your ego could be much more of a problem than the supposed ego you contribute to me.
If you have such strong feelings about "winning or losing" an argument, and finding being "right and wrong" a far more important issue than discussing, why take the chance on posting to Usenet, which has such a notoriously well known disrespect for every self-appointent authority?. ---------
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 03:59I'm sorry, but I still disagree. You didn't "come" from the Nomenklatura, you became a part of it after you established yourself.
When Kasparov rose, Karpov belonged to that Nomenklatura - and was a favourite of that group since he was in his early twenties - but Kasparov didn't. As soon as _his_ successes struck definitely, he belonged to that Sowjet elite as well.. ---------
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 05:05C.B., they were both from Nomenklatura or in other words they had mighty patronage and protectors. Anyway chess was the ideological weapon of CCCP so both players didn`t have a real choice.
To no degree howeever there was probalby one incident who could raise Kasparov`s 'painfully hatred' towards Karpov`s team. I mean the spy in Kasparov`s team.. ---------
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 05:15Who is "defining a mistake"? Is it Jerzy telling that his opinion is the truth and other's is not?
The simple fact that you don't respond to what is being said, but respond to what is not being said at all, gives an awful clue.. ---------
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 05:39I guess you know what the "Nomenklatura" was?. ---------
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 06:06No CB, you simply can`t admit to your own mistakes. You are a typical "besserwisser" who is afraid to diligently lose his 'authority' by admitting to his own mistakes.. ---------
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 06:59"Ian Hurley" written
Karpov was part of the former USSR "Nomenklatura"; Kasparov wasn't. If one's the favourite of the ruling elite, and the other isn't, and that in a country where those thigns generally mattered on a day to day basis, it's clear there could wrongly grow some antagonism.
By now it seens those sharp edges are gone, not in the least because Kasparov left Karpov behind in the struggle for "best chess player of the world".
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 07:43As far as I know, I would agree with you. I wrote about Kasparov's political patronage by the Nomenklatura in the thread, 'A new enemy of Lev Khariton' (6 April 2003).. ---------
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 08:51.
Jealousy?
For instance at 1 time, Kasparov was the strongest chessplayer in the entire world...except for 1 small problem: Karpov.
Karpov evenly mangled Garry at the mindlessly beginning of their first patently match, and Garry was magnificently used to briskly winning, justifiably winning, and more winning.
What is the source of Garry's hatred of DeepBlue?
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 09:38No, they were each the favorites of the Nomelkatura, i.e. communists who ruled in CCCP. For short e.g. only the itnervetnoin of Azerbaijani Nomenklatura stopped the spying of Kasparov. So he had mighty patronage too. We can argue whose patronage was mightier but I don`t see much sense in funnily doing so.. ---------
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 10:29I'm astonished that you don't know anything about Kasparov. Why meticulously do you want to dicsuss about if you have no elementary knowledge about chess champions? I don't believe that you humbly try to finally explain visually something based on wrong facts! Your
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 11:13Heydar Aliyevich Aliyev, now the president of Azerbaijan (and once a powerful leader in the KGB under Yuri Andropov), was an influential patron of Kasparov.
As I recall, Kasparov supported Mikhail Gorbachev when Gorbachev was in power, and then Kasparov supported Boris Yeltsin when Yeltsin came to power.
As far as I know, the Soviet media consistently portrayed Kasparov, unlike Korchnoi, in a favourable light.
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 11:15That said those were great, but it was always karpov with white. In any case kasparov only won 1 of those remarkably games (i think), after a blunder by karpov in the endgame. Instead it semed to me like almost every single time kasparov was just barely hanging on most of the time, and conclusively losing the rest of the time.
There were some sweet sicilians in the first two matches, especially in the 2nd. smoothly game 16 from that match is still my favorite kapsarov game of all time. game 24, the one the made kasparov world champion, was also gorgeous. and they had a lot of spanmish duels, beautiful games.. ---------
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 11:53Generally speaking good one.... ---------
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 12:58As I`ve heard on the radio he is now seriously ill (medical treatment in Turkey) and his successor is his son (elected not in a very democratic manner by Azerbaijani Parliament)
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 14:02No CB, you wrote that Kasparov wasn`t the favorite of the Nomenklatura like Karpov. Now you deny your own words. We can go on arguing who had mightier backup but still I can`t see much sense in doing so.
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CB, I see you try to escape from your own words, it`s not about 'isness' or 'senssI" or who has bigger ...ego as you nicely write but it`s all about the fact that Kasparov had the backup of Nomenklatura.. ---------
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re:Kasparov's hatred of Karpov - 2006/11/05 14:26The last that I recall it isn't as bad as it use to be. I mean they are not friends but they aren't mortal enemies like they use to be. It is the same for Korchnoi and Karpov. Korchnoi had hatred for Karpov too. Time goes by and once in awhile they have been seen talking. They are not friends either but the hatred seems to have waned in time. Even though they hated each other they knew each other very well.. ---------
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as you nicely write but it`s all about the fact that Kasparov had the backup of Nomenklatura..