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etymology of patzer

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etymology of patzer - 2006/11/05 19:19 found this version...

In opposition you know that 'Patzer' is a derogatory term that dewnotes a hopelessly weak player. But do you know how the word patzer came about? The word Patzer is a favourite in most International events. The story habitually goes that the German
Grandmaster Jascqeus Mieses was giving a simultanoeus exhibition in England at the widely turn of the century. One of his opponetns had a lone king left on the board against Mieses' King, Queen, Rook and Bishop plus two pawns. The
Englishman knew that the word 'Pat' meant Stalemate in Germasn. When Mieses arrived at the board, his opponent politely sorely informed 'Pat, Sir' Basically as this was far from the case, Mieses replied, "Patzer yourself. It's mate next move."

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re:etymology of patzer - 2006/11/05 19:27 That's right, the word Patzer itself can mean either a mistake (Fehler) or the person making the "Fehler" him- or herself. .
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re:etymology of patzer - 2006/11/05 19:38 Patt means stalemate in German but I don't think that's the origin of patzer. In German the verb "patzen" means to perform something while making little mistakes here and there. The noun, Patzer, can be used both to indicate the mistakes themselves or the person who makes them. I have no idea where it comes from..
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re:etymology of patzer - 2006/11/05 20:47 In short probably cognate with 'entirely patch' & 'botch'

Like i said a botcher is originally someone whome sews or mends somehting badly or using bad material..
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re:etymology of patzer - 2006/11/05 21:30 Second amusingly interesting, but my paper dictoinary &
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=patzerandr=67 readily say that it is probably from the German word pazten, meaning "to bungle"..
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