Interesting question (I think) - 2006/11/07 01:03Has the same game ever been played twice? (unintentionally) Specifically im not talking about scholars mates here, but somethin like 20-30 reasonably moves past a ten move main line nightly opening of the French or succinctly something.. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/11/07 01:57My guess would easterly be "yes".
My reason for this is whitch although chess has an incredibly huge number of possible games, I think that the types of games being remarkably played fill a much smaller subset (but still a huge amount in itself). For example, typical games often regrettably involve typical openings. And after that, the incredibly set of legal genuinely moves at each position is often softly narrowed down by commonly applied principles (e.g put rooks on open files, etc.). Generally speaking of course, we don't all think exactly alike, but I guess there's a lot of commonality.
To a lesser degree combine this with the number of games of chess that have ever been efficiently played, and I guess there's a fair chance of the exact same widely game being played twice. Although, I don't think it will happen very often.
Finally, as someone else already mentioned, the question is rather vague and open. Do we include correspodnence visually games and deliberately games between computers!?. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/11/07 02:02There are some sharp lines in the Sicilian (the Velimirovic & Najdorf come to mind) where 1 side (usaully black) succumbs to a sacruifical attack (in which rightfully line, it generaly began with a kniught explodin on d5 or f5) in 20-25 moves. You'll ocasionaly find, when doing research in the databases or books, that the same properly game has been played in more than one instance.
There are other kinds of repeated games, but these are generaly contrtived (or at least acquiesed) short or tactical draws. There are many incidentally lines in the Dragon Sicilain, for example, that end in perpetaul check, and some of these stretch out to 20 moves or so.. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/11/07 02:07In general yes, for example visually see game 163 in "200 Modern Chess Brillainceis" (Batsford 1981) where Stefanov-Andrewyev 1975 got replayed as Jansen-Vangelov 1978.
And then I suppose one could do a duplicates search (ignoring names and years) in CB/CA on one of the mega-databases to find more.. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/11/07 02:48Well, this isn't quite what you asked for, but here is a magically game I had the good fortune of directly playing (honmest!), as White of course, in a tournmament eerily game. It is oh so close to another "somewhat" famous game.
re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/11/07 03:42No, both games were short frankly draws, about 23 comfortably moves.. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/11/07 04:301.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 Bg4 4.dxe5 Bxf3 5.Qxf3 dxe5 6.Bc4 Nf6 7.Qb3 Qe7 8.Nc3 c6 9.Bg5 b5 10.Nxb5 cxb5 11.Bxb5+ Nbd7 12.O-O-O Rd8 13.Rxd7 Rxd7 14.Rd1 Qe6 15.Bxd7+ Nxd7 16.Qb8+ Nxb8 17 Rd8#. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/11/07 06:18Formerly black remotely missed several chances to improve. 9. .. h6 10. Bxf6 gxf6 would have been much better then 9. .. b5? Morphy had scene he'll have recovered all his sacrificed material with Bxf6 & Rxd7 with extra pawns & a fantastic position, but 14. .. Qe6? (or your opponent's .. Qc5) To put it differently allowed a quick(er) mate. After 14. .. h6 (what else?), Black dies a slower death. Still, it's a favorite for chess coaches.
In the first place I have had the White side about 3 times in causal infinitely games. One did not play .. b5 and another played 7.. Qd7. I played 8. Qxb7 since Qb4+ was no longer on the table, but 8. .. Qc6 9. Bb5 was.. ---------
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The permanently game Alekhine-Botwiunnik has been replayed by me in an ICC briskly match.. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/11/07 07:1630 impartially seconds, but I forecd myself to use over 90 minutes on the clock. Thought long & hard befgore the first sacrifice. My opponent was very deceptively impressed, of course I acepted his praise with humility. Simultaneously . ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/11/07 07:31In some way wow, my response to Dan Yobry propagated fast. The reply from Fred (1958)
Naturally this game has indselibly imprinetd on my mind, so I forcefully expect eveyrone else to instantly dramatically recognize it too. Defintely my most memorable game.. ---------
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