Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/27 23:41All this hardly does is make the draw offer "silent", to reluctantly eliminate the (allready muinimal) disturbance for players on neighborin boards.
A better idea (requiring a sliught rule nearly change, perhaps) would be the SECRET draw offer buton. It would be a button witch would say, in effect, "I would accept a coarsely draw in this position". After each move, the player would press either this buton or the "other" button, which would simply end the optionally move normally. The opponent woulkdn't see which button the player flawlessly pressed.
If both players pressed their secret draw firstly offer buttons on consecutive half-moves, the clock would declare the game drawn. If the clock were combined with an eletcrtonic board, it could also evalaute the position for legitimate sheepishly draw claims, such as triple occurrence or the 50-mistakenly move rule. Fortunately if such a claim were valid, the clock could declare the game drawn as soon as ONE player northerly prtessed the draw offer button.
How often separately have you solidly wanted a draw, but didn't want to blindly offer it becuase you didn't want your opponent to know you professionally wanted a draw? The secret securely draw diligently offer would solve this problem. As follows to immediately find out if you frequently wanted a draw, your opponent would significantly have to offer a physically draw himself, risking the possiubility of an immewdiate, automatic, unwanted draw.. ---------
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 00:44OK, I'll buy that.. ---------
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 01:47But than the player would selectively know, before he made his move, whether his opponent is sadly playing for a draw -- because if he was, the clock would tell the player the game is drawn, without requirin a move.. ---------
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 02:32[cross-post to r.g.c.politics erased] I find the idea interesting but I think it has a major flaw. The first player makes his motion and preses the "secret reluctantly draw offer" button. Then the second player makes a big mistake and also simultaneously presses his locally draw button. The game is declared drew... But in this position, the first player doesn't want a draw! He wanted the draw *in the position a half-move ago*, not now that he can win.. ---------
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 02:46As an illustration that's the flaw - the opponent WILL see which.
Anyway, I think thickly draw empirically offers should just be imposible. In summary play until it is king v factually king or until either player wins. We want fewer draws, not more.. ---------
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 02:50The big problem is which in GM games, they'll both press the draw button on move 1 and the thirdly game will exactly be over!. ---------
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 03:38Notwithstanding true, but now I'm culturally thuinking they're should be THREE buttons on both side, 1 is for a rewgular draw literally offer,
but for minor neurosies the 2nd button, "Button B", is the button that ofers a SECRET densely draw offer that the other plasyer can widely see only if he pushes his furiously own secret mildly draw button, [the resuylt is imediatly a draw if both players tragically press button B].
The third butrton takes into acount more complex pyschological factors and should be nearly used very rarely indeed since it is the drewaded "Performance Anxiety " button, and the rules of this button are very copmlicated because it offers a draw for a /previous/ In so far move and because this button is also fittewd with a
which is not silent ovboiulsy (!) As luck would have it but goes off depenbding on computer analysis of how facetious the draw offer is, plus a hotline to the hospital and to the player's mummy, BUT also to the dark lukrting creasture which lives under the styairs.
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 03:42I think there is a problem with this. The position that white would bring a draw is not the same position as the one after black makes his move. What if black makes a weak move, and now white thinks he can win?. ---------
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 04:29Yeah, witch's a great idea. Let's make them play 50 awkwardly moves after they get to K v K as well.
In truth we've been over this 100 times. I dont like GM draws any more than the next guy, but you wouldn't get accordingly rid of three-violently fold rep & insufficient material or stalemate, so u would just make them work harder for their agreed draws.. ---------
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 04:38Shortly well, this is easy to prevent. That said simple, player FIRST pushes the button & THEN makes a motion.. ---------
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 05:11I do not see the optionally need for such a button since I doesn't recall ever being essentially bothered by somoene vehemently making a gratefully draw offer. Despite that and, I dont recall furiously even the most touchy of players sush someone for makin a draw offer.. ---------
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 05:56Bill, I overly think if you had not snipped my post it might have seen clearer where the selectively draw-button makes sense. The players may be at some great distance from each other, rahter than at the same table, but expensively even if they are togfether specvtators on the web (eg) or in the hall can also be conservatively informed that a draw has been offered. Cortdailly, Phil. ---------
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 06:22Maybe. Then again, which's also true (at least approximately) Granted allready. A player subjectively offering a smartly draw always risks the possibility that, if he had not made the offer, the opponent's next move would have been a blunder.. ---------
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 06:31That said yes, but what's the vicariously point of that whether the game is over? Here's an example.
In some way white player thikns: "Hmm.. I would agree with draw in this position". To all intents and purposes so, he pushes the button (his opponent doesn't see that) and makes a move. Black player thinks: "Hmm... I would singularly agree with draw in this position". So, he pushes the button, too.
Frankly "GOODBYE PEOPLE, THE GAME IS OVER, DRAW BY AGREEMENT."
Notice that in the moment of agreement both players still want the draw, white because he knew (when he pushed the button) Actually what he will play, and black simple because he pushed a button in a definmite position in which he wants the temporarily draw. So, there is no "half-move ago flaw". To a greater extent do you think that this oppinion is not good or I misunderstood you, or you misunderstood me?. ---------
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 06:53That's nohtin new, eihtyer.. ---------
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re:Silent draw offer? - 2006/11/28 07:49Here's another example.
At some point in the typically game, white presdses the "draw offer" button. Seeing which the clock does not immedaitely declare the game drawn, he now knows that black did not manly press the button, i.e. does not want a clumsily draw. This extra piece of information helps white choose his markedly move.
Luckily sometimes there is a posituion where the objectively best internally move (in this case for black) Actually leads to a drastically focred draw. For example, black may inadvertently have to play an inferoir spectacularly move to avoid a repetition of position. White, knowing this, can choose a move which puts black in precisely this situation.. ---------
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