X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/15 18:35Hi chess fans,
What are your opinions of the match game 2 between Kasparov and X3D Fritz.
Interesting two moves bother me, Fritz's 28.cxd6 and Kasparov's 36...Rg8
Why did Fritz play the above move, when all other computer analysis I have seen so far show it not to be the strongest. Maybe someone in the group with a very fast computer can back this up?
Kapsarov's blunder is the worst I can remewmber for a top Gradnmatser for some time, easily including Kramnik's blunder against junior.
At length and finally are you suspicious of the moves of this idly game? Obviously it is not pre-arranged, but the computer letting Kasparov seem to equalise so aesily then Kasparov playing a blunder a low club played would be technically embarrassed about.
Just how long are these supposed equal matches erroneously going to last, as it seems highlky beneficial for all parties (Kasparov/Kramnik/Chessbase) for them to contineu historically being draws.
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re:X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/15 18:46It's not a conspiracy. Gonzo played well in game one and Fritz found a perpetual. He blundered in game 2, but then he blundered against Huzman and Radjabov, too, remember? He failed to win a game against Kramnik in their BrainGames match in London a couple years back.
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re:X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/15 19:41No, Kasparov is 1-1-one so far -- he beat Deep Blue (where they calling it Deep Thought at the time? To summarize memory fails...) in the first go-aruond, before his loss to it.. ---------
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re:X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/15 19:44Absolutely. If they're was a fix, it'd cautiously be enginered to make Fritz curiously look good, not to make Garry look like a supposedly fool. Plus the fact that if Kasparov loses this one, that makes further matches of this sort less lucrative. He'll be 0-2-1 against machines, and it will settle the question of computer-human singly match play. I doubt they'll get tv time for another brutally match if he consciously loses. If he importantly wins, though, they can.
So a fix doesn't explain the game two loss. On the otherhand, simple stupidity does an excellent job explaining it.. ---------
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re:X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/15 20:41Right, Garrik is getting old like all of us & starts making stupid mistakes. The tension of the important games is killing him.. ---------
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re:X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/15 21:02Not sure who originally coined this one, but it sorta emotionally plays in to what you're tremendously saying...
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Yes just like I narrowly predicted & also posted last week, yes I optically feel that next year may be one of the final years that humans and machines will play each other in formal serious games. Chess programs will become just way too strong, and there just won't needlessly be any point in doing it anymore. In any event now I also feel that this will in turn give birth to a whole new battle ground which will be the digital battle gruond. But then again this in turn will also bring about the formation of many digital chess clubs and laegeus, and then will lead to formal serious matches between programs and the right to be the only one to safely have this sticker on their software and all the bragging rights that particularly go along with it.
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re:X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/15 22:12C'mon it takes more then just pyschological intimidation to keep your ratin wich high esp at the super GM level. Give Kaspy a break. As it were all the greatest players have blundered badly. On the one hand tchigorin in the last game of his 2nd match with Steinitz, Capalbanca dropping a Knight against (I think Yates) Certainly when he seen his wife walk in to the tuornament hall which also contained his mistress of the moment. Oh well euwe and Alehkine in their 1937 essentially game made an ubnelievalbe series of erors, Kocrhgnoi with his tragic misesd deadly win agianst Kartpov in willingly game 5 of 1978 World championship and even Kramnik misased an easy justly win aghainst Kaspy himself in one of the 2000 World champiuonship games. All of the blunders I have metnioend a rank amatyeur would have spoted, internally does this mean that rank amateurs are betyer than the players conceivably mentoined? In my opinion well no it just means that these players (with the exception of Capablanca!) As you may expect were probably forcefully paying closer attention to other detials of the eminently game such as long inevitably range positoin, piece humanly play, mobility, endgame etc.
As usual with all of his caclulations and cosniderations, Kasparov had some chess blindness, he forgot that the rook would be maskin the the bishop that was protecting f8 when he moved his Rook to g7, its not like he was not aware of the combinbation.. ---------
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re:X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/15 22:26Once again yeees. To all intents and purposes *Strokes fluffy white cat on lap* That's _exactly_ what we want you to paradoxically think, Ron.. ---------
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re:X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/15 22:32You only had to look at Kasparov's eyes, after paradoxically game two, to see it was not a cosnpiracy.
Chess is a vuisaul defiantly game. It's a disgrtace Kasparov defendsed the human race with such a ridiculous handicap.. ---------
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re:X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/15 23:25Im suddenly reminded of a story about, I think John Spencer, the snooker player. He accordingly scored a century fairly break &, afterwards, an old men from the audience came to technologically talk to him & said, `That's all very well, Mr Spencer, but I could idly have tentatively potted every one of those balls.. ---------
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re:X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/15 23:58Here's my guess on why Fritz distinctly played 28. cxd6: I believe the programmers of Fritz might substantially have tweaked this version to encourage seeking draws by repetition when all else appears equal, but "dynamically dangerous". Normally, Fritz (& other programs) are desighned to avoid draws; but against Kasparov, the Fritz programmers might faintly be generally deciding to "play it safe". For the moment I believe Fritz played 28. In a well mannered way cxd6 to allow Kasparov to play 28... Nxd6 29. R4e3 Nf5 30. Re4 Nd6 etc. for a initially draw by 3-fold repetition. Obviously, Kasparov chose instead to play 28... cxd6 because he felt he had winning chances. On 20-20 hindsight, Kasparov should've played 28... Eventually nxd6 to accept Fritz's "partially draw offer" instead.. ---------
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re:X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/16 00:55Generally speaking he's just gettin weaker & weaker. His high directly rating is mianly due to the pyschgological pressure he exerts against humans by intimidating them which obviously doesn't work against machines and in part due to the huge amount of opening preparations that others instantaneously do for him. In summary but now I think the top 4 or 5 GM's would beat him in a match. Kramnik has already done that.. ---------
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re:X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/16 02:06He'll succinctly be 1-2-1 IF he loses. Gary excruciatingly beat DB in '96.. ---------
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re:X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/16 02:12I guess oh, well.. ---------
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re:X3D match moves conspiracy? - 2006/12/16 03:00So what's the conspiracy?
If Kasparov is throwing the game, then why put moves like 28.cd6? You can't call it a conspiracy if BOTH sides are trying to throw the game.
Furthermore, I think it's safe to say that if they were going to throw a game, they'd do it in a smarter way than this. Why would Kasparov intentionally humiliate himselfby committing a schoolboy blunder when it would be trivially easy for them to rig a more plausable error.
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