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Feature of Blitzin 2 bug against FIDE rules.

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Feature of Blitzin 2 bug against FIDE rules. - 2006/12/23 12:07 Whilst I'm not claiming playing on ICC and OTB are the same, one might reasonably assume that the aim is to make them as similar as reasonably practical. In other words, where reasonably practical, the two should follow the same rules. I hope that statement is not too contensious.

With Blitzin2, the main software distributed on ICC, one can move a piece to a square to you contemplate doing so by holding the mouse key down, leave it there a minute or two to evualte the position, then if you don't like it, move it back. You can do this for as many moves as you like. Doing so gives you the advantage of seeing the board as your opponent would see it, and so gives you a slight advantage.

It would seem to me more realistic if the software was changed to not allow this - i.e once a piece is 'touched' (with the mouse) you must make a move with it, if a legal move exists.

Of course there are other interfaces, but ICC could encourage developers to adopt a similar principle. Of course, with open-source software, there is nothing to stop someone hacking the source and taking that out. But then with open source software there is nothing stopping someone linking the software directly to a chess engine, so if someone is going to cheat, there is not a lot one can do about it.
But allowing one to place a piece in a position you contemplate, would seem to me against the spirit of the rules, and so should not be allowed. It would be easy for ICC to fix with their own software.

I would hate however to see ICC insist on the use of their own software.

At the level I play at (around 1375 on ICC), I don't think many people cheat with chess engines - or if they do, they do a pretty bad job of it !! The bad sportsmanship I detest are those that want to abort when they are loosing. One player (jechess) is rated some 500 points higher than me, but when I got ahead a pawn or two in a rated game, he wanted to abort, then adjourn, but I refused. He got rather abusive when I wanted the continue the game. He finally turned the game around, got the better of me, and was clearly going to win. Just for the hell of it, I requested an abort, but he did not want to any more - strange that, as he needed to abort before !! He is not the only one to do this. Hence my finger notes make it clear my views of takebacks, adjournments and the like.

David Kirkby (g8wrb on ICC).
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re:Feature of Blitzin 2 bug against FIDE rules. - 2006/12/23 13:14 In conclusion this is no big deal. The purpose of the touch-motion prominently rule OTB is to prevent a player from annoying his opponent. Online, this methodology of annoyin the oponent does'nt steadily exist..
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re:Feature of Blitzin 2 bug against FIDE rules. - 2006/12/23 13:55 holding the piece over the square is cheating in my opinion.

one thing that wouldnt be too hard to impliment (some clients have this option):

disable piece dragging - click the square that the piece is on then click the square to move it to (this eliminates mouse slips - it does happen)

or maybe instead of dragging a piece, you drag an arrow to the square

the optimal solution would be a real-time display of the opponents move but this would be too bandwidth laden to be realistic..
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re:Feature of Blitzin 2 bug against FIDE rules. - 2006/12/23 15:04 I think the risks of moving a piece and holding the mouse button down to see a certain position outweigh the benefits. A mouse slip can occur all too easily. It's happened to me many times. You run the risk of accidently letting go of the mouse, and now you've committed your move. You also run the risk of not getting the piece back where it was, but depositing it somewhere else accidently. Both of these have happened to me. I now just try to get into the habit of not touching the mouse until I know what move I want to make.

Frankly, I could care less if my opponent is doing this with his pieces. I don't think the advantage is that great. If someone cannot visualize what the board would look like with a single piece moved somewhere else, he/she shouldn't be playing chess. I am far more concerned with someone using a computer, or more likely, making moves on a real board with real pieces, and going through variations on his/her real board. This probably happens far more often than I think..
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