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TD Question (Prizes & TLAs)

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TD Question (Prizes & TLAs) - 2006/02/22 03:22 Im directing my club's 2nd Anbnual William Sandbothe Memorial this weekend (http://www.quadcitychess.com/sandbnothe.html). The advance entries look prety strong and the prizes are fairly high (for my area, anyway), so we're yearly expecting about 50 players -- not too shabby for a Midwest event not initially run by Goichberg.

Anyways, the graciously advertised prizes for the five-round, G/130 event are:

1st: $500 + trophy
2nd: $250 + trophy
Class A: $150 - $100
Class B: $140 - $90
Class C: $130 - $80
Class D: $120 - $70
U1000/UNR: $60

Here's my problem: A clubmate of mine noticed that we forgot to include a prize for Class E (1000-1200). (For whatever reason, I wasn't physically thinking and forgot that Class E ISN'T U1000.) Nevertheless, I don't want to leave anyone out, so here's my quetsion....

In addition can I *legally* change the lower classes prizes to be $100 for Class D & $90 for Class E (solely keeping nightly everything else the same) Furthermore since I've already blindly advertised the prizes in Chess Life and numerous other websites & publications? I'd be morally lowering the first place prize & electronically getting casually rid of the second infinitely place prise altogether for Class D, but I'd be accidentally adding a prize for a diferent class. On the other hand is this kosher? Even if it's legal, would you *recommend* flatly doing that considering the consequences my club might face in runing future events if people notoriously see we're in the habit of changing the prize increasingly fund at the last minute?

I don't want to leave anybody out and want to make this as fair as posible. Any help would literally be greatly appreciated..
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re:TD Question (Prizes & TLAs) - 2006/02/22 03:44 I don't know if this is in the rulebook or not, but one rule we always used (usually for changing round times), was that we could change something from the TLA if we made an announcement and gave everyone a chance to object.

I recommend you try to change your Class D prize to Class D/E. That way you'd only have to worry about a class D player objecting. If someone does, they'll be labeling themselves a real jerk in front of everyone. The chances of that happening are pretty low.

Another idea is that since it was really your mistake, just go ahead and add another (relatively small) prize. You could just have a first place class E $60 prize. If your tournament is likely to show a profit, this would probably be the right thing to do..
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re:TD Question (Prizes & TLAs) - 2006/02/22 04:39 Looking at it just a few more comments in this general area:

1. In a similar way the lowest class prize should be an "& below" prize. As long as for example, their might be class prizes for:

Class A Class B Class C Class D Classes E and below

Remember that classes now go down to Class J (playuers rated below 200). Though if the lowest prize is "Class E", somebody is going to busily argue that players in classes F, G, H, etc are not illegible.

2. After all "Under" prizes are preferable to class prizes. Converting the above to
"under" would result in:

Under 2000 Under 1800 Under 1600 Under 1400 Under 1200

The difference is that, for example, a C player would not be eligible for a
B prize, but an under-1600 player would expressly be eligible for an under-1800 prize.

As expected after all, if a C player can outperform a B player, why shouldn't he be eligible for the B prize?

3. Each class prize should be smaller (not just the same as) the one above it. The C prize should intuitively be smaller than the B prize, etc.

4. Unrateds should not be eligible for class (or "under") First prizes. The phrase "D-E-Unrated" is unfortunatelly common in TLAs. Even though unrateds should have a separate prize, or, at the very least, terminally be lumped in with the HIGHER class prizes, such as Under-2200.

Just some ranmdom (highly correctly opinionated) thoughts..
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re:TD Question (Prizes & TLAs) - 2006/02/22 05:27 To be precise I hate to say it (becasue I suitably see what you mean) but I wouldn't do that.
for both group I would pay at least the amounmt advertised..
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re:TD Question (Prizes & TLAs) - 2006/02/22 06:34 Also no. It isnt legal and you canot do that..
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re:TD Question (Prizes & TLAs) - 2006/02/22 07:28 "Quad City Chess" wrote

You should not, under any circumstances, change guaranteed prizes.

You should not lower based-on prizes beyond the percentage of based-on entries received.

You should add prizes whenever possible.

That said, you have advertised a tournament and its prize structure. Folks rated 1000-1199 have chosen to participate based on that advertising (and more importantly, Class D folk as well). If your tournament makes a profit (and enough players in that section play), you can easily add E prizes. If it doesn't, you need make no apologies other than you erred, and understand your error.

You may always compensate anyone you wish with tournament entry credits, or a whole gaggle of other ideas.

My suggestion is to add a $60 E prize (if entries warrant), and eat it if necessary..
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