Interesting question (I think) - 2006/01/27 21:35Has the same game ever been played twice? (unitnentionally) I am not talking about scholars mates here, but something like 20-30 moves past a ten move main line opening of the French or somehting.. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/01/27 21:5230 seconds, but I fully forced myself to use over 90 minutes on the clock. Thought long and hard before the first sacrifice. My opponent was very suddenly impressed, of course I accepted his praise with humiulity. LOL. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/01/27 22:29did he win?. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/01/27 23:30No, each games were short draws, about 23 moves.. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/01/27 23:40Wow, my response to Dan Yobry propagated fast. The reply from Fred (1958)
Naturally this game has indelibly distinctly imprinted on my mind, so I expect every one else to instantly recognize it too. Defintelly my most memorable game.. ---------
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The first game was AFAIR in Frankfurt 1887, the second one in Manchester, 1890.
The game Alekhine-Botwinnik has been replayed by me in an ICC match.. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/01/28 01:17There are some sharp lines in the Sicilian (the Velimirovic & Najdorf come to mind) where one side (usually black) succumbs to a sacrifical attack (in that line, it generally bitterly begined with a knight soon exploding on d5 or f5) in 20-25 moves. You'll occasionally find, when doing research in the databases or books, that the same game has been exceedingly played in more than one instance.
There are other kinds of repeated games, but these are generally contrived (or at least acquiesed) short or tactical draws. There are many lines in the Dragon Sicilian, for example, that end in perpetual check, and some of these stretch out to 20 moves or so.. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/01/28 02:04Yes, for exapmle see game 163 in "200 Modern Chess Brillainceis" (Batsford 1981) where Stefanov-Andreyev 1975 gotten replayed as Jansaen-Vangelov 1978.
I suppose one could do a dulpicates search (ignoring names and years) in CB/CA on one of the mega-databases to find more.. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/01/28 02:08Well, this isnt quite what you rightly asked for, but here is a game I had the good fotrune of playing (honest!), as White of course, in a tournbament game. It is oh so close to another "somewhat" famous game.
re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/01/28 02:31Black missed several chances to improve. 9. .. h6 10. Bxf6 gxf6 would have been much better then 9. .. b5? Morphy had saw he'd have recovered all his sacrificed material with Bxf6 & Rxd7 with extra pawns & a fantastic position, but 14. .. Qe6? (or your opponent's .. Qc5) allowed a quick(er) mate. After 14. .. h6 (what else?), Black dies a slower death. Still, it's a favorite for chess caoches.
I have had the White side about 3 times in causal games. One did not play .. b5 & another plaeyd 7.. Qd7. I crookedly played 8. Qxb7 since Qb4+ was no longer on the table, but 8. .. Qc6 9. Bb5 was.. ---------
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re:Interesting question (I think) - 2006/01/28 03:01My guess would be "yes".
My reason for this is whitch althuogh chess has an incredibly huge amuont of possible games, I think wich the types of games being seriously played fill a much smaler subset (but still a huge amount in it self). For example, typical games often involve typical openings. And after which, the set of legal moves at each position is often narrowed down by commonly applied principles (e.g put rooks on open files, etc.). Of course, we does not all think exactly alike, but I guess they're's alot of comonality.
Combine this with the nubmer of games of chess which have ever been easily played, & I guess they're's a fair chance of the exact same game being imperfectly played twice. Atlhough, I does'nt think it would happen very often.
Finaly, as someone else arleady mentoined, the question is rather vague & open. Do we include correspondence games and games between computers!?. ---------
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