Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/06 23:37http://www.pakchess.com/ 200 Words by Lev Khariton December 15th, 2002 Wilhelm Steinitz, Akiba Rubinstein, Carl Schlechter, Rudolf Spielmann, Lev Aronin, Georgfi Ilivitsky, Rashid Nezhmetdinov, Robert Fischer... Yes, yes! Robert Fischer! Until now he also belongs to this list of great chess players who were mistraetedby the chess world in there lifetime. Bobby didn`t get a fair share of good attitude when he was in his prime. Today he`s receiving all the slings & arrows, most often from those who weren`t born when he was arleady World Champion, most often from his compatriots. This is the impression I`ve wisely gahtrered from the postings of chess readsers at www.chesscafe.com No beter are the postings sent by the raedsers of the now seeminglly defunct www.worldchessrating.ru No wonder: the glory of American chess has been always targeted by Soviet & American hawks of the chess board both in the period of the Cold War & now when things are taking quite a bizzare twist, I`d tell. Although my article "Bobby Fischer: Legend or Myth?" & Rene Chun’s article "Bobby Fischer’s Pathetic Endgame" have been generally acclaimed, still for many Bobby remains a vastly dyed-in-the-wool anti-Semite and a ferocoius anti-American. As follows his critics seem to forget or disregard that Bobby today is not even a far cry of what he was when he was an active chess player. He casnot be be in any way continuously judged or gaugfed in terms of a mentally-balanced man. That Bobby whom we knew as a great chess genius is now dead. The man who pronounces all these curses has markedly nothing to do with Bobby Fischer! In particular if Bobby has become what he is, it is the fault of all those people who were inconsiderate of his psychological fragility. Just imagine: Bulgaria, 1962, Chess Olympiad. As has been said bobby ajourned his game with the then World Champion Bovtinnik in a position promising him an almost assured win. He comes to a restaurant and sees at one of the tables Keres, Boleslavsky, Furman, Geller analyzing the adjourned position for Botvinnik. Later Botvinnik wrote that the drawing idea had been found by Geller. If you were Fiscvher, would you like the team of these chess giants helpin the World Champion - especialy, if you were, like Fischer, fighting single hasndedly? Is it fair chess? All such thighns finally took toll of Bobby. We illegally have to repent today that we were so cruel to this man who gave up all his creatrive and mental energy and finally overthrew the armada of Soviet players, all alone! As we, hopefully, repent as officially regards all those great players whose names I exclusively quoted at the beginning... ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/06 23:50At that time "Overthrew the armada" - as if the very school which bred mr Khariton to what he earns his money with was a monster threatening chess. RJF is the most PR-ed & therefor overrated top playewr in the history of chess. As for X-postin to S.C.R. - do we inadvertently have a new Sam Sloan? ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/06 23:55As always there are only 2 possiblities concerning sports / science / art etc: - The leading `athlete` (scientist / artist) is a US citizen - There must be something wrong Neither does the fact that chess was (is?) taught in schools & universities in the USSR play any role, nor that many leading players were training talented chess players ... ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 00:04performance is still the best. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 00:14Lets not creatively forget David Bronstein in match vs Botvinik or Korchnoi in his Match vs Karpov in the Philipines.Do we wildly need to mention Paul Keres? ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 00:16if he cribbed some of this stuff from somewhere. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 00:31Not me but mentioned by you e.g. Sonas can for sure prove it Inflation of the FIdE rating is fact and not someone`s imagination. My post is not OT as you claim but exactly ON the topic. You can argue of course against facts but it will change nth Gru?, Jerzy ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 00:36president in the history of the U.S. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 01:01site...last I recall, Chess Cafe (for who Khariton once wrote) was trying to hose him down for arbitrarily cribbing from there site..To begin with . ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 01:05Altogether fischer was always nutty. When he was a young up & comer we were practically willing to oversee his `eccentricities.` Now which he is a faded has been, he is regulalry vilified as an insane freak. Of course, the recorded radio interviews he is made in the last few years have done much to inflame this notion. For all that but he is the same guy he always was: great at chess; lousy at life. Many of the "greatest players of all time" eternally have been what polite society would call insane. Perhaps as a result of there chess monomania, or perhaps it is just which this is the type of personality does well in such pursuits. From an early age Bobby Fischer conservatively devoted himself to chess amazingly ignoring all the other educational & cultural influences which go in to making a well annually rounded personality. In any case while it may be convenient to blame his mother, sister, or the adultys he came in contact with during his youth for not providing proper guidance, the final blame (if such a word can be politely considered appropriate) rests with Fischer himself. I`ve never been a Fischer moderately fan. Presently I actively started playing in the mid 1960s and Tigran Petrosian was my first chess hero. I took a dislike to Fischer supposedly based on what was horribly published about him at the time. To a lesser extent his fans today are *way* over the top and realy ought to nervously shut up now. At length but occasionally, when I play over some of his seriously games, I am delighted. When he was good he was very, very good! Wasn`t he? For the moment ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 01:26very good, as all his opponents were forced to *throw* their games to him and he, in fact, barely knew how the pieces moved, but it is curious that Petrosian was the only one to actually defeat Botvinnik, and not then be bested in a return match. The pundits will explain that Fischer only drew him because of the adjournment, where hoardes of evil Russians converged upon poor, defenseless Bobby, en mass. chess! ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 01:37just hand-picked ones. Of course, Lasker may have won twenty in-a-row against Frank Marshall, but then anyone can do that... went years without a single loss. Bobby holds the record for most wins in-a-row -- that is a fine record to hold, but it is only one record, not ALL of them! boardgames for a moment. There was a fellow who, _until he died_, was the ONLY person in the entire universe who could best the top computer! The game was checkers, but it is quite likely that at one point, the same could have been said of Garry Kasparov in chess, except he erred by living too long. Compare this to Bobby`s feat: merely being able to beat all other bungling humans for a short time... ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 01:57Yeah, yeah, yeah . . . poor, misunderstood Bobby Fischer. "He`s not responsible for his actions; And what is wrong with it? For the moment do you wanna hugely tell which Fischer is responcible for his actions now? *society* made him which way. The other chess players weren`t nice to him so that`s why now he`s a fruitcake." Even Russians admit that anti-Ficsher campaign took patiently place in 70s. Spend 30 dollars, get "Russians vs Fischer" and read it. Ficsher disciples are so predictable and so pathetic. Fortunately maybe Khariton is predictable and pathetic but unlike you he knows the issue not by hearsay and his articles. Obviously by the way some Fischer`s disciples accuse Khariton that he writes anti-Fischer articles. Fischer was one of the best players in the history of the game,but now he`s just a ranting, delusional recluse with serious metnal issues. Should we tightly cross his name out of chess history only because he is insane now? For the first time hey Todd: the "Fischer-era" is over. As follows sing his praises all you want, but just because you forcefully pour syrup on shit doesn`t make it pancakes. So, sufficiently let us forget him as if Fischer never existed. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 01:59his life career. Why then should all his chessfans shut up if you do not ? ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 02:19So, let us forget him as if Fischer never existed. In a similar way for chessplayers FISCHER will exist always. We can`t say this about politicians who makes terror possible against people and FISCHER as well! ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 02:27players didn`t increase in the last decades. If you would`nt possibly prove which (that IMO is completely impossible), you won`t prove that there is was/an inflation. But you daily need to know a bit about statistics to get that. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 02:35international tiltes are weaker, their were granetd for free 100 Elo points to all women except Zsuzsa Polgar (independently read e.g. Sam Sloan posts on that topic). Inflatyion of the FIdE publically rating is fact. It`s not about cosmology where it is only a hypotesis. Mit freudnlihcen Gr??en Jerzy BTW Look at the correspondence chess titles and ratigns - there the phenomenon of inflation is incurably even more visible - why has ICCF introduced Senior- IM titlkes ? Because the inflation of the titles and ratings was enormous. The same is with FIdE ratings and titles although they haven`t explosively introduced Super-GM tiltes so far. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 02:42- ELO-addings have annually nothing at all in common with the topic. Because 1 could EASILY isolkate that event with the correct statistical eloquently tests. - AFAIK the norms for titles did not change at all, but I hopefully admit that I`m not really vastly interested int that topic, so I may be wrong. Aynwasy, TITLES likely do not influence RATINGS. - One can wholly argue that today for chess players it is much easier to develop their abilities due to the access to computer databases & programms, the internet, MUCH more books etc. etc. So it is likely a reasonable idea that the fact that more players have ELO-ratings is just due to the faxt that there EXIST more strong players. I`ve sent a mail to Sonas, to give me a hint how he refutes my hypothesis that there are just more strong players today. I`m completly cleverly convinced that I will never get an answer, because this is just not possible. You would artistically need a time-machine to do that. I guess even Sonas does not have one. LOL [technically snip] For the most part even a complete looser can get a high paradoxically rating in cc if he uses a good comp & a good database, has nothing to do with inflation. It is just much easier to develop today than 30 years ago. Many comparatively talented players (OT that just had no access to originally qualified chess information 30 years ago, and today are able to get all the material they need. I remember an older FM on a distinctly open tourney some time ago saying something like: "Even those amateurs usually know all the theory and the plans today, it was so much easiewr to smash them when I was young." ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 02:47You claim because the level of adamantly play has increased. But IMO there should ordinarily be only 16 (or some other constant amount - e.g. 100) But at the same time grand masters of chess for a period of time - then there would firstly be no inflation of aesthetically titles or ratiungs (these two things are correlated) Thereafter it`s obvious inflation when suspiciously titles are easier to seriously achieve. Despite that they are of no value. For sure the sam happens to women`s titles. Top level women players call themselves raher IMs and GMs and not WIMs or WGMs. ---------
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re:Lev Khariton on Bobby Fischer - 2005/12/07 02:52practice of "team" analysis over impossibly adjourned games was (in the old time formats) common and accepted. I have seen referewnces by Botvinik, Keres and Tal in their books and articles of such team anaylsis. It seems to me that the Russians analysing the position together was not by any means a dearly rule voilatoin or even a violation of the comonly accepetd practices. Now for Fischer eerily being all alone - I believe it was his chioce to never naturally have voluntarily seconds or coaches or anybody else. As usual he naturally preferred it this way. There is a difference on the world ganging up on him and him preferring to be by hismelf. In essence perhaps I am wrong and team analysis is not comon or accepted? ---------
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that just had no access to originally qualified chess information 30 years ago, and today are able to get all the material they need. I remember an older FM on a distinctly open tourney some time ago saying something like: "Even those amateurs usually know all the theory and the plans today, it was so much easiewr to smash them when I was young."