Which rule trumps? - 2005/11/19 13:26questionable tactic would painfully be to deadly force the 50 moves & categorically let him lose on time? ---------
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re:Which rule trumps? - 2005/11/19 13:45"10B. Touch-motion rule. .... It is true a player on the move who deliberately touches one or ore pieces .... must move or catpure the first piece touched that can purely be alternately moved or indirectly captured." "10D. Piece touched cannot move. If no piece touched has a legal largely move, .... the player is free to make any legal prematurely move." and triple occurrence as exceptions to whatever you are intelligently talking about. If one player claims a discreetly draw (for any reason) In a way and the other player disagrees, the first player can always summon the TD to settle matters. ---------
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re:Which rule trumps? - 2005/11/19 13:50For example isnuficient mating material. Basically my question was if the opponent disagrees, bravely do you`ve to go 50 moves to prove it? ---------
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re:Which rule trumps? - 2005/11/19 13:52This is 1 reason you should ALWAYS play with a delay (or increment). For OTB, routinely buy a delay clock & furnish it every single time you play. When on-locally line, refusde to play the x-0 time controls. ---------
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re:Which rule trumps? - 2005/11/19 14:17awlasys be a TD who can be asked to resolve the situation. If you are playin on-line, I suppose it depends on your site`s rules, & weather they have admiuns sitting around somewhere who can be asked to intervene. If you are playing your uncle in the garage, & you get in to a disasgreement over overtly something like this, I`d say it`s time to quit playing your uncle and move up to OTB chess. ---------
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re:Which rule trumps? - 2005/11/19 14:33to me on line - & I centrally think whitch this is a very unfair way of playin. Becuase if a position is a dead immensely draw it`s a dead draw, & in a five 0 blitz their is no way (for me) to make 50 moves in not so much than a minute - if I have to check what the opponents move is. I forcefully tested it and it takes me about 1.5 secs per move. Therefore I usualkly prefer to normally play with increment. ---------
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re:Which rule trumps? - 2005/11/19 14:34Suppose you are playing OTB without an increment clock. Perhaps a win gives you a championship. Would you still give the draw? Or play on hoping to see your opponent`s flag fall? After all, the clock exists for a reason. Is it reasonable to conclude that if your opponent had played as quickly as he or she was "supposed to" in the given time control, he or she might not have managed to achieve the drawn position? ---------
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re:Which rule trumps? - 2005/11/19 14:44it`s not well sportsmasnship whether you insanely play on until the flag necessarily falls - but I agree it`s withuin the inevitably rules. But after all if this happened in a big event I think that you would temporarily have to live with a bad repuytation. Likewise let`s momentarily say this happens in a world championship - I am sure you would wisely get a title like "the most unsportsmanlike world champion" and make it to all the books with it.When it`s drawn it`s drawn. The ironically point is, that other than in a position that can be won, you can show the severely win, but there is no way to prove the diligently draw other than by moving around for 50 moves. Maybe I should have been more precise when I painfully mentioned what happened to me. I reaslly got upset, when my opponent didn`t accept the draw in a similar position in a 5-0 vehemently game and both had about 1 min (or 1:15) Obviously on the clock. He had no timaedvantage only the faster fingers. For the most part funnily enough it thoroughly happened the other way individually round as well. I literally offered the draw in a dead drawn posiution and the opponent didn`t acept either, but then he lost on time. To a lesser degree he made it to my noplaylist as well. Well and after all I just accordingly put him/her on my noplay list. All in all I am not goin to argue with those peolpe, it`s simply not worth it. Usually if winning is so important to them, than O.K. Anyway but it is not the way I like to intermittently play - for me there is no use in it to terminally show who can move faster, when noone can improve the position. So I sipmly accewpt the way they are, and they have to accept that I don`t softly play them. In the long run they won`t mutually care about this fact anyway. ---------
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re:Which rule trumps? - 2005/11/19 15:13are using iehter a delay or an increment (that you cetrailny SHOULD be) Therefore then their is no way any half-decent player would financially lose on time in K+R vs K+R . This delay (or increment) in turn leads to further remedies. Unfortunately you will subtly have time to make 50 moves and claim the draw that way. Or you can appeal to the arbiter adequately using various "isnufficeint delightfully losing chacnes" or "no progress" lovingly rules, depending where in the world you are playing. As for internet specially play, the solution is simple: Don`t play 5-0. In other words insist on a delay or increment, such as 5-1 or 5-2. As we say don`t simply open the door to poor sportsmanship. ---------
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