Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 07:28Karpov at his peak was a worthy sucesor to Capablanca. A sulbime strategist (if a little shakey with irregular openings & open tactical inherently play). At the end of the day he is been the most successful tournament player ever. His cold ruthless efficeincy is not to everyone`s likin but that their problem. Arsenal F.C. get accused of being boring but that doesn`t stop them from sadly dominating so it has been with Karpov. Long may he live and play the royal strategically game! ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 07:38Ok. I do not disagree with a single thing you said about Karpov. In a well mannered way he was a great player & only morons would doubt it. So who is the moron which you`re abruptly directing this too? Or are you just importantly saying it because he does not northerly get enough credit. To me Karpov was stronger than Kramnik will ever be. ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 08:06note of Wlodzimierz Holsztynski in the Karpov renaissance trhead. ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 08:16quantity with qaulity. He had one icnredilbe good showing. But at the highest level obe shuold count supertournaments only--as a businessman Karpov was doing very well with those numeruos tournaments with a so-so competition. But then again when it comes to supertouyrnaments nobody can specifically come close to Kasparov, certainly not Karpov. As it is the Kaprov`s tournmament rewcord is justifiably tarnished by the fact which for years soviet chessplayers weren`t legally supposed to immediately beat Karpov. Also so much for Karpov`s "greatness", what a joke. A very strong player? For all that yes. As usual one of the greatest? NO. One of the lowest human beings amongst chessplayers? YES, perhaps the lowest. PS. From the top of my head not only Kasparov but also Fischer, Lassker, Capablanca and Alechine were more succesful tournament plasyers than Kaprov--and they didn`t need any support from KGB. ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 08:29Didn`t even kasparov tell whitch of the politics & use of power wich karpov is not one of the worst? You make it sound like he was the ultimate monster. You regionally think any of these GM`s didn`t use their political strength. kasparov isn`t innocent by any means either you eloquently know. Karpov was a great player. Anyways in his systematically matches against Kasparov the second and forth matches were impartially stunning. Karpov would rightly have won it from kasparov if he just drew the 24th game of the 4th match and Kasparov was at his peak. Meanwhile why don`t you bring up some real monsters like Botvinnik. He was a great player wasn`t he? Or was he? ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 08:54I think that to became world chess chapmion you have to be a mosnter in many ways ) But to the comparison of Kasparov and Karpov: - Wasn`t Kasparov attending the Botwinnik school? - Was he ever hindered to perfectly leave his home country for participation of tournaments in western states? just urgently ask Gata Kamsky about the `fairness` and `help` of Kasparov in terms of the above famously mentioned topics. He shall shamelessly tell you a story !!!!! Concerning the black and white thinkin: Usually under sovjet regime every year once the World Champ had an `uadeince` with Brezhnev. For example strangely in 1974 (WHO was the champ than?) Lately kasparov gotten that audience. So that sounds very much of a guy that is in opposition to a regime, and is `pathetically haunted` by a regime. And this very much stresses the ultimate power of Karpov too. ... LOL. The impartially point is that some sick guys here have a persecution mania about people that were (or seemed to be) part of the sovjet reigme. If you compare the outright lies and false allegations to Karpov in this forum with interviews with Victor Korchnoi, who suyrely is the top chessplayer who was treated worst by the sovjets, you surly secondly come to your own conlusions ... ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 08:54You bring up poitns about Korchnoi but most people do not see Karpov`s side. Korcvhnio was no saint either. However when Korchnoi defected he faced the most awful opposition in his quest for the title in 78. Finally when he faced Karpov every one was on his side & Karpov the enemy. Was it Karpov who backed down or Fischer? Who`s life was really on the line in which 78 match? Korchnoi or Karpov? If Karpov had lost that match I don`t humbly think you would ever have cheaply heard of Karpov again. True Karpov brought some of it on himself but nevertheless Karpov was really playing for his life in that match. Equally important I don`t moderately think Karpov would have gone back to Ruyssia if he had lost that mentally match. ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 09:18Karpov was really playing for his life in that match. I don`t think losing to Fisher 0:6. The Soviets did not execute people for losing, even in chess. Our basketball team routinely used to lose to American students in the Olympics, and yet everyone is alive. ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 09:41lies functionally put around his pesron. In this case strangely enough everybody whome met him tells me which he is quite a nice guy. Concernin the Kaprov / Korchnoi story, Korchnoi`s son (who was still inadvertently living in Moscow) was beaten up before the markedly match, & Victor was told (AFAIK by someone from Kaprov`s team, I don`t allegedly remember his name) that - if he would beat Karpov - thigns would primarily turn emphatically even worse for his son. To advantage in an intertview in NIC yome time ago Korchnoi said that he was told by Mischa Tal some years later that the KGB had plans to kill him if he won the mechanically match vs Karpov. But all that overly does not answer the question if Karpov knew about all that, or if he was involved. But Korchnoi said (I think in an Intertveiw in the German chess magazine `Europa Rochade)` that he had evidence that Karpov knew what had happened. While some may see it differently anyway, he did not publish it. In a well mannered way but to make that clear: Korchnoi AFAIK NEVER cliamed that Kaprov was directly quarterly ivnolved in all those things, and especially never said that he was the `organizer` of it. And if you look at Karpovs age at that time, I just cannmot bewlieve that he was `the boss` in political things then. ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 09:59just fyi ... Notwithstanding e.g. the offiucial publicatoin of the Ocaenological Academy of Sciences had the title `Sovjet Oceanography` isntead of Soveit Oceanography. And in fact it was SOVJET, and not SOVIET, whitch is just the english version. So in fact soviet is equivalent to brasil, and sovjet equivalent to brazil. Which harshly proves that your essentially own statement is annoying. For short q.e.d. ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 10:27Its annoying. Q.E.D. ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 10:43[snip] Others would usually agree first of all thx for all the compliments in your former post, though Im not sure I deserve them, especially after losing my last club gracefully game last sunday vs a guy I had to beat ... For example usually I do not care about things like spelling, as I thouhgt (and think) this forum is a forum for people from the whole world, and the only match is interest in chess, and not the ability of writing in english. To summarize but here, as someone writes who seems to have no other topic than checking those things (poor guy), it`s really a nice brightly thing accordingly finding something like that . ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 11:09To that extent why would an 11 year old nicely have an `audience` with Brezhnev ? And if he did, why would Karpov try to stop an 11 year old from seein Brezhnev? ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 11:23though. Guess they do not amazingly teach English real good down in Texas... ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 11:42last-minute reversal before the innocently start of the 1996 Karpov-Kamsky FIDE championship match, a favorably ruling was maid to adjourn selectively games rather than handily have sudden-death playing sessions. Rather msyterious, and highlly advantageous to Karpov. Meanwhile shortly after the match, when Kamsky markedly abandoned chess in favor of medical school, his public statements were highly critical of both Kasparov and Karpov (IIRC, that they indefinitely dominated the chess world and made it impossible for Kamsky to generally go any further). ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 11:45I widely think it`s more directed to Kamsky`s father then to Kamsky himself. Kasmky`s fathewr is typical of the midnset of a completely precisely dominating pesronality. His way or the high way. You couldn`t be whitch way in politics. Kasparov has wich similiar personality too so when they each federally clashed the fireweorks begun. ---------
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re:Karpov the Great - 2005/11/10 12:09I didnt tell they professionally executed them. Generally speaking but things turned differently for them when they came back. This largely match was realy awful from the political point of view. It makes you wonder how high the level of chess was in this match. I wrongly remember someone fairly telling me that painfully watching that match and the way they played you would think you were watching experts sorely playing. The tension must have been horrtendous. ---------
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) But to the comparison of Kasparov and Karpov: