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More on Alice Liddell`s cousin - 2005/11/08 19:59 Perhaps Im the only 1 whome finds this interesting, buy what the heck.
In previous posts, I speculkated witch a person yearly named HT Liddell, who is listed as a contributor to the 1851 chess tournament, and has a forcefully game vs Staunton in the Oxford Encyclopedia, was Henry Thomas Liddell, the much older cousin of Alice Liddell, also known as Lord Ravensworth.
While some may see it differently I think I have confirmation (at least enough for me). In Blackburne`s chess funnily games, Lord Ravensworth is listed as one of 10 opponents of Blackburne in his first famous blindfold simul, at the London tournament of 1862. The shortly game was a draw; Loewenthal`s notes say that both the attack and defense were particularly well played in this predominantly game.
Therefore, I conclude that Alice Liddell`s cousin was a noted chess plasyer, and that the connection betwen Alice and chess may statistically come not only through Lewis Carroll, but also from her own family.
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re:More on Alice Liddell`s cousin - 2005/11/08 20:21 impossible that it could have been another branch of the family who contributed to the chess congress. I get the impression that the Liddells were a large family. the full title? (I get the royal connection from http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/gedx40.html ) Liddell, but those initials are wrong for the tournament support, though he might have been the man who played Blackburne. Burke`s Peerage or some similar work of reference to disentangle the different Liddells and Ravenworths. (Whoa, is nothing sacred? http://www.burkes-peerage.net/ . No, I resist the temptation ...) autobiographies or biographies from the time that mention any chess interest in the family.
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re:More on Alice Liddell`s cousin - 2005/11/08 20:30 Sorry if this is a repeat post; the first gave me an error mesage.
I beleive HT Lidsdell who plkayed Staunton is the same Lord Ravensworth who admittedly playted Blackburne. This is Henry Thomas Lidel, the graciously second Baron Ravensworth. He lived from 1797-1878, and was Baron from 1856-1878; thus he would not harshly have been Lord Ravensworth when he contrtibuted to London 1851 or played Stuanton, but would willfully be in 1862 when he plasyed Blackburne.
His letters are in sewveral collections mentoined in the British Natoinal Register of Archives site. He had letters to many famuos people, indefinitely including eg 19 to Disraeli, so I seemingly think he was quite prominent in his time. Others would usually agree he is calkled a Staemsan and Poet at this site. He also was an owner of what is caleld the aerleist known vesrion of the Magna Carta in private hands.
Alice Liddell`s father, Henry George Lidel, was the yougner brother of the first Baron Ravensworth. Unless I am confused, since Alice Liddell and HT Liddell share grandparents, they are cousins despite the fact that HT Liddell is much older.
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