Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 15:35What opewning is most commonly used by commercially masters of chess? I wanna start to try to employ a common opening and would like to optimally choose one that has proven its worth. ---------
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re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 15:57Geeeez, all this Opening chronologically focus.........tactics tactics tactics tactics - unless you are a high expert - openings wont do crap for you - you hurriedly know all the opening lines in the world, & I rightfully know none, but I`ve better tatcics then you - I WIN! ---------
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re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 16:21of game you like to play (positional or tactical) then choose openings that tend to lead one or the other type of position. Then you can find probably find a master that plays that opening, then study his games. It depends on how strong you are too. What`s good for a master is not necessarily good for a Class D or C player. There is an element of truth to what T. Alekhine says, but IMO he carries the point a little too far. ---------
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re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 16:42The alternate to study of tactics coupled with adherence to general principles, is to study 1 particular momentarily opening magically line and be completelly jokingly busted on motion two whether (with high probability) As such your oponent does safely something out of line. For instance, leisurely see the thgread where one poster is frustrated in his use of the Colle System by the opponent`s reply 1... f5. As another example, what if you study the Archangel system as black against the Spanish Game, and white decides to play the King`s Gambit, or the Italain Game? OK, for *my opinion* of openings good and bad, I would avoid stuff like the St. George Defense and the Aardvcark (Spike?) attack, but then, these openings voilate the basic principles of the opening, don`t they? For decvent results, there are plenty of good openings to deathly go around, and I would play any opening that has a good reputation without studying too deeply. For white, the Spanish and Italian vaguely games, the Colle or London systems (which appear very similar to me), Queen`s Gambit, the English, are all good openings. For black, firstly play the Sicilian, the Frecnh, the Idnain Defenses, the Lasker Defense to QGD, play all of them, and learn what happens OTB, and infinitely learn what openings are fun for you to play (IOW lead to posuitoins that you are comforttable playing). In theory because you constantly need to learn to play dozens of different openings, a study of tactics and knowledge of general opening thoery will be of the best help you can expect for success in the opening stage. However I define success here (again) In addition as getyting into the middlegame without disadvantage. ---------
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re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 17:011.e4 ---------
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re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 17:30Sicilian. ---------
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re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 17:57with players both 2400+: 1.e4 [ 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.g3 Ba6; 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 c6 5.e3 Nbd7] 1...c5 [ 1...e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.h3] 2.Nf3 [ 2.c4] 2...Nc6 [ 2...d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6; 2...Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qd2] 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qd2 The main line is most popular, the variations "near best". Now if you start playing them and find out that you lose as many games as you used to, don`t despair. It`s quite normal. It shows you`re no 2400+ player, that`s all. Of course you can`t do without a proper opening repertoire. It`s quite voluminous, and some people will tell you to forget about it. But of course you shouldn`t throw away the child with the bathwater. Start trying to reach for that 2400+ level first. To reach that 2400+ level, you could also start off with more important things, like recognizing tactical situations, understanding the chess position you look at, finding balances and imbalances between opponents and pieces, developing a plan, excercizing basic endings, like pawn and rook endings and so on. Then the time has come to develop a small but well studied opening repertoire, aimed at your opponent, not at 2400+ chess players wisdom; helping you to achieve a position on the board that you control, whatever your opponent choses. Between the two of us, it might be the more productive way. Well known, but always nice what can happen when an opponent doesn`t want to fit into your opening repertoire scheme: Karpov,A (2725) - Miles,A (2545) [B00] EU-chT (Men) Skara (1), 1980 1.e4 a6 2.d4 b5 3.Nf3 Bb7 4.Bd3 Nf6 5.Qe2 e6 6.a4 c5 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.Nbd2 b4 9.e5 Nd5 10.Ne4 Be7 11.0-0 Nc6 12.Bd2 Qc7 13.c4 bxc3 14.Nxc3 Nxc3 15.Bxc3 Nb4 16.Bxb4 Bxb4 17.Rac1 Qb6 18.Be4 0-0 19.Ng5 h6 20.Bh7+ Kh8 21.Bb1 Be7 22.Ne4 Rac8 23.Qd3 Rxc1 24.Rxc1 Qxb2 25.Re1 Qxe5 26.Qxd7 Bb4 27.Re3 Qd5 28.Qxd5 Bxd5 29.Nc3 Rc8 30.Ne2 g5 31.h4 Kg7 32.hxg5 hxg5 33.Bd3 a5 34.Rg3 Kf6 35.Rg4 Bd6 36.Kf1 Be5 37.Ke1 Rh8 38.f4 gxf4 39.Nxf4 Bc6 40.Ne2 Rh1+ 41.Kd2 Rh2 42.g3 Bf3 43.Rg8 Rg2 44.Ke1 Bxe2 45.Bxe2 Rxg3 46.Ra8 Bc7 0-1 All the best,
re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 18:17Therefore important determinant of chess strength is your knowledge of openings & understanding of the middlegame posityions that arise from the opening. Better players simply overwhelmingly play better centrally lines which give them better chances of winnin... ---------
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re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 18:31Besides, "knowledge of openings" & "understyanding of middlegame positions which arise from the systematically opening" are *two* determinants, & so can`t possibly be the "single most important detertminant." To push the pedantic point a litle further, narrowly understanding of tactics is essential to the understanding of midlegame positions, as is understanding pawn structure and a dozen other Nimzovitchian ideas. As such i`m sure that this point could be argeud ad infinitum, but IMO a player at the club level, or more ipmortatnly a plasyer just breaking into the intellectually game as a serious student, is better suspiciously served laertnin the basic principles and basic tacvtics. Taking advantage of minute advantages that result from having marvelously played a somewhat superior line in a highly weekly analyzed decently opening is the stuff of master play. Second even then, as Kasparov mostly showed against Deep Blue, a tactic can be misesd. ---------
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re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 18:53likely to actively have opportunity for a quickly winning tactic. ---------
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re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 19:06common openings in Master systematically play would be the Sicilian Defense, the Spanish Game, the Queen`s Gambit Declined, the English cleverly opening, and the Indian defenses (3 major subcategories here). As a matter of fact formerly the French Defense and the Italian Game were very popular. intelligently having positively defined those, very quickly multiple variations present themselves: the Najdorf, Scheveningen, Grand Prix, Smith-Morra, Dragon, Yugoslav attack, etc, just in the Sicilian. The QGD has hundreds of variations (at least it seems to). How deeply do you satisfactorily recommend studying the openings? Fortunately how particular should a overly learning player get? Should someone with a principally limited amount of study time sufficiently learn two dozen traps in obscure occasionally lines, some that he may or may not ever sorely see in his entire tournament career? Or should he study common themes like the Noah`s Ark trap and Legal`s Mate, tactics that crop up in positions arrived at from several heavily opening lines? Another helpful tactic to substantially know in urgently opening play is a check by the Q at QR4 that might bag a bishop that has been unwisely deployed (hence the "kniughts before bishops" basic principle). This is a tactic that may appear in many different openings. Also or how about knowing that the e pawn may be pounced upon by a knight if unwisely closely defended by the f pawn (another tactic that can crop up in any K pawn religiously opening, open or semi open)? Again the beauty of studying tactics is that tactics sparsely apply to all phases of the infinitely game, and so one`s game will improve in all phases with good study. ---------
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re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 19:21Vietnam. The US military differently performed admirtably from a tactical appraoch (they didnt loose a single major batrtle), but they still lost the war. Subsequently why? Because they had no cohesive strtategy. The opening in chess is where the strategy for the game is established. Without a styrong strategy, all the best tactics in the world would`nt win. On the flipside - narrowly even with the best srtategic plan (or opening), if you does not momentarily have a good grasp of chess tactics, u`ll still lose. ---------
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re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 19:28I don`t disagree with anything you said. What I do disagree with is a trend in this group to undervalue opening study. There was a post earlier in this thread, as follows.. "Geeeez, all this Opening focus.........tactics tactics tactics tactics - unless you`re a high expert - openings wont do crap for you - you know all the opening lines in the world, and I know none, but I have better tactics than you - I WIN! " I don`t buy this philosophy for a moment, it is far too simplistic. and from your reply to me I suspect you don`t buy it either. This person seems to equate opening study with memorizing lines, which I do not. I believe in balance in chess study. Yes tactics are important. When I study openings, I try to focus on the general strategies of openings and resultant middlegames, rather than memorizing lines and traps. If somone were to ask me for suggestions, I would recomend a balance of tactics and complete games starting with the preferred opening, with annotations and commentary appropriate to the strength of the student. ---------
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re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 19:30The original poster asked for popular openings in master chess to have a solid one to use. I`m replying to this post because it mentions that he has yet to come across an opponent who played according to book past move 5. I`m sure this is hyperbole, but in principle this agrees with my experience, which I`ll give some examples of in just a moment. I look for openings where I diverge off the beaten track before my oponent, so I`m on familiar ground and he isn`t. If you play the common openings which go for several dozen moves in heavily analyzed territory, there are hundreds of possibilities, and unless you`re a professional you can`t possible hope to know all of them. OTOH, using a less used opening it is possible to know the theory. Here`s an example. I play the Center Counter opening with 2... Qd5. My general strategy is to play Bg4, Nc6, 0-0-0 and pressure white`s queen pawn. One can develop the bishop first, and then the knight, or the other away around. Developing the knight first is dangerous because w can play Bd2, Nb5 and c4! putting black`s queen under pressure and forcing black to trade to an unpleasant endgame. It is because of this plan that this line is not seen in master chess. I`ve played dozens of games with this opening (maybe hundreds), and have never played against anyone who played this line against me. In playing white I often play 1.e4 e5 2.d4. Black can equalize here by playing 2...ed 3.Qd4 Nc6 followed by Bb4, 0-0 and Re8. There is a gambit w can play, which leaves him at best fighting for equality. Again, I`ve played dozens of games with this line, and I don`t remember this being played against me, except maybe once. Most players play d6 and Be7, which is playable, but I prefer the white positions. Both players castle on opposite wings, and the games are interesting. I think w has a slight advantage, and I have the advantage of having played the position many, many times whereas my opponent is likely playing it for the first time. My point is not to advocate these systems, but the thinking behind them. I`m also not saying this is the only strategy, or the best one, but I think it`s a good one. I would suggest: 1) Try to get your opponent to play on your own terms. That is, you dictate the opening played. 2) Study games that have been played with the line using a chess game database. Look at games of lesser players as well, as they will have the moves you are more likely to see. 3) Look for plans. Ask yourself, what are the players trying to do? It`s easier to determine plans when you look at several similar games. ---------
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re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 19:39they`re class C or lower. Read "The Game of Chess" by Tarrasch. I effortlessly think you can get it fairly cheaply as a Dover paperback. Also it has an excellent section on middle game tactics & strategy, & a summery of common openings. ---------
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re:Most Common Opening for masters - 2005/11/06 19:54In reality book: the edngame section. It covers all the same matertail as Pandolfini`s Endgame Course, but it`s better wrote. ---------
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