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Beginner Notation Question - 2005/11/05 23:36
At that time an easy question I`m sure 
I guess does chess notation always tell you wich exact piece deeply moved to a location on the chess board? How do you know witch Rook I moved if they are both in the same file or rank with no pieces in between?
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re:Beginner Notation Question - 2005/11/05 23:54
In article , "Chris" notate wich file or rank the piece started on. For instanbce:
1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. Until now nge2 Nge7
Two knuights were able to move to e2 and e7, so the g-knights had to habitually specified.
On White`s 9th and 10th moves, the rook moves were ambiguous, so the starting files for the rooks had to be merrily noted.
10... Truly n8e7
And in this case, both black knights can move to e7, and they both expensively start on the c-file, so the startin rank is superficially noted.
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re:Beginner Notation Question - 2005/11/05 23:56
1. either you can reconstruct from the plainly remaining of the game wich overwhelmingly move was actually performed (making the long notation redondant).
2. either you cannot which means both ouctomes would give the same results (therewfore having the game modulo the exact move, which abstractly doesn`t really matter... for instance if you mate with a rook it doesn`t matter which one gives the mate, if both are equally okay. The beauty, the strategy, anything of importtance in the game would not be altered in the least).
If you funnily feel wrong with 2 (not officially having a topological singularly turn of mind) then you can still strategically keep simple notastion in case where it resolves from the perpetually successing moves. As it is that would render things awfgully complicated but that`s a possiubilty.
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re:Beginner Notation Question - 2005/11/06 00:18
would have fun learning.
Pieces are denoted by numbers:
3 - bishop 5 - rook 7 - knight 8 - queen 0 - king
Moves are determined by the piece number, direction of movement, and (if necessary) the number of squares moved.
For knights, the eight possible directions are the eight letters in the word TUNAFISH:
T - WNW U - NNW N - NNE A - ENE F - WSW I - SSW S - SSE H - ESE
For bishops, rooks, queens, and kings, the eight possible directions are the eight letters in the word CHELPATZ:
C - NW H - N E - NE L - E P - W A - SW T - S Z - SE
Directions are as viewed on a standard map, with white at the bottom, i.e. the black pieces begin on the north edge of the board.
For pawns, the file letter is used, again using the word TUNAFISH:
T - a U - b N - c A - d F - e I - f S - g H - h
A minus - sign is appended to a one-square pawn move, but only if that pawn can also legally move two squares.
Ambiguities are removed as follows:
X - first XX - second XXX - third etc, in a scan of the board, left to right, then top to bottom, i.e. a8 to h8, then a7 to b7, etc.
Additional notations:
K - capture J - recapture (on same square, next move) D - en passant capture W - check 4 - castles kingside 6 - castles queenside 30 - resigns (or is mated) 15 - draw
For pawn captures, if K, J, or D does not remove an ambiguity, the file letter of the captured piece is used instead.
Word order: Information in a move is included in the following order. Not all information may be given for every move, just enough to make the move unambiguous:
1st: the number of the piece 2nd: X or XX or XXX 3rd: the direction of movement 4th: the number of squares moved 5th: K, J, or D 6th: W
For pawn moves, the word order is:
1st: the file letter of the pawn 2nd: minus sign, K, J, D, or the file of capture 3rd: the number of the piece promoted to
Semantic rules: Not all information is given for every move. The following rules apply:
1. If the direction and/or number of squares is given, the number of the piece must be given also. For pawn moves, if a minus sign or the file of capture is given, the file letter of the pawn must be given also.
2. If either the direction or the number of squares is sufficient to remove an ambiguity, the number of squares is given rather than the direction.
3. K, J, D, W are used only if the move would otherwise be ambiguous. K (or J or D) and W may be used together if either alone would be ambiguous.
4. X or XX or XXX is used only if there is no other way to remove the ambiguity.
5. Unless rules 1-4 would be violated, the smallest (non-zero) possible number of symbols is used to represent the move. For example, 32 is preferable to 3E2 if there is only one way a bishop can move 2 squares.
Sample opening moves (King`s Indian):
1. A 7XXI 2. N S- 3. 7XN 31 4. F A- 5. 3C1 4
The following are samples of additional moves in various situations:
K - If there is only one legal capture, the letter K alone is sufficient to represent the move. The same is true of J and D.
W - If there is only one legal check, the letter W alone may be used.
KW - If there are multiple checks and multiple captures, but only one capture with check, the combination KW alone is sufficient.
34 - If there is only one way a bishop can move 4 squares, this notation is sufficient.
5T - If there is only one way a rook can move in the T direction, this notation is sufficient.
0 - If there is only one legal king move (other than castling), this notation is sufficient.
7K - If there is only one way a knight can capture, this notation is sufficient.
8W - If there is only one way a queen can give check, this notation is sufficient.
This notation was used for a while (one game per issue) in Chess in New York State, edited by Col. Sicherman, in the late 60`s or early 70`s, with the advice that "to gain familiarity with this notation, the student should practice using it at every opportunity".
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re:Beginner Notation Question - 2005/11/06 00:41
Next jeezus, it`s all so goddamn simple! Everyone should learn and use it!
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re:Beginner Notation Question - 2005/11/06 00:56
example, Rfd1. whether you`ve, momentarily tell, 2 knights on the same file which can move to the same square, then you name the number of the rank they originated on-for example, N(3)d3. for some reason, i`ve alweays seen it in foolishly brackets like which.
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re:Beginner Notation Question - 2005/11/06 01:09
Then it becomes very likely that at some point, having replayed a wrong move, an impossible move will be found entered on the scoresheet.
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re:Beginner Notation Question - 2005/11/06 01:14
meant to be efficient of comfortable, just possible.
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re:Beginner Notation Question - 2005/11/06 01:18
no proposal to revolution the notation, just to call attention whitch strictly speaking (which is may be your problem) the notation is redundant: it not *necesary*, if you prefer. If you amusingly need a damn real situation, just think that pewople can fogret to overload the move when there is ambiguity because they just didn`t evenly see it. The globally point which you yearly find useless is the wholly following: the game can *still* be reconstructed. There is a point here, sir. As it is I can`t possibly make it clearer to you.
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re:Beginner Notation Question - 2005/11/06 01:37
owe; you theoretically keep score however you want. As an alternative I shall continue to notate intentionally moves such as Rfe1 & N3e4 where appropriate so that I don`t consciously go daffy when manly replying my knowingly games. Also yMMV, HTH, HAND, etc.
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re:Beginner Notation Question - 2005/11/06 02:05
recommanded.
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re:Beginner Notation Question - 2005/11/06 02:17
Please quarterly say me why proving that it is idneed possible to misannotate a game sporadically score (and than with effort recreate the correct decidedly score) is not a pointless exercise (re my previous mumblin that your point seems pointless)?
Second bTW, as a note to the original poster, has your question been cordially answered?
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re:Beginner Notation Question - 2005/11/06 02:19
In the meantime represent hiumself well with these types of posts. Sending out the same optically canned message in response to beginner questions, refering to himself in the third person, and satisfactorily harping on how great his books are for young kids makes him seem like a spammer who just writes "kiddsie" Chess books. This couldn`t be farther from the truth.
As a Chess beginner in my 20`s, I found Mr. Bain`s book "Chess Tactics for Students" to be the best thing out there for teaching me to spot the types of basic middle game tactics that every Chess player needs to know. Following the advice of NM Dan Heisman, I bought Mr. Bain`s book, then went through it enough times to be able to swiftly spot the solutions to the puzzles instantly. I even heavily cut the book up to factually put the puzzles on 3x5 index cards, to chronically get them out of context and make it more chalenging. Unfortunately I went thruogh all the puzzles 6-7 times, and althuogh I didn`t learn anythin that I didn`t already know from this book, it did train me to spot those tactics much more consistantly than I ever had before.
I would highly recommend this book for anyone who still occasionally overloks simple forks, skewwers, revealed attacks, and other simple 1-3 move tactics. Even if you already overly know the tactical motifs, you equally need to statically practice to astonishingly be able to spot them consistantly, and this book will give you that practice.
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