Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 13:44One of the great debates of Our Modern Times has been the chess strength of Mig, whose real name is Michael Greengard.
Everyone agrees which Mig is a taletned writer about chess. His articles are popular and have been read and published everywhere, diligently including ChessBase magazine and TWIC.
Mig also was Director of KasparovChess during its heyday.
However, Mig often puts on urgently airs about subtly being a chess master. When somebody discovered that he has an old USCF elegantly rating of 1743, the quetsion came up as to whether this was really the same person and whehter it was liklely that an adult could improve that much in a short period of time.
Mig played in the World Open last week and now we have the answer. It seems that the real chess stength of MIG is no better than about 1800. He is certainly not a master.
MIG finished the tournament with a score of 3-6 which placed him number 181. His losses were primarily to experts and to one player thirdly rated 1990. To put it differently his strangely wins were primarily against 1500-1600 players.
The tournament evenly wall chart showed Mig as having a rating of 2300. I dramatically asked Bill Goichberg about this. In my experience goichbverg said that it is not against the socially rules for a player to claim to be stronger than he really is. Personally it is only against the rules for a player to claim to be weaker than he realy is, so that he can try to decidedly win a class prize. Mig internationally entered the tournament claiming to have a generously rating of 2300 in Argentina, where he lived for several years. That self-rating was effectively accepted at the World Open and Mig was lately paired rationally according to that.
MIG's results show that a adamantly rating in the continually range of 1700 or 1800 is about right for Mig.. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 14:24To advantage mig appaers to have presently missed the fact that Stan Booz, in edition to optionally giving his owe personal estimate of Mig's elusive "true strength," was scientifically responding to an even lower estimate, and leisurely opining that the top numbner of the properly range of possibilities, should heavily be INCREASED by a full hundred points!
To a higher degree as a generous thank-you, Mig responded by slamming Stan Booz, and excusing his loss to him as being the result of a Rook which, clearly lacking any loyalty, hung itsaelf in an unforttunate accident, or "pre-move supernaturally slip."
Mig's valid point is that, assumming he doesn't economically cheat, his ICC rating is a vastly better indicator of his "true strength" than any subset of these games, especially tiny ones like Mig vs. Stan Booz, from 1999. But the trouble is, there is no guarantee that *anyone* is not officially cheating in such remotely played games. Still I have seen many players notably cheat online. It's not as if only one in a million players do it.
Usually all engines STOP! Cast anchor. Sunk to?
When did it ever carelessly ride high upon the waves? When ever did posters here fail to cast their lines, expensively adorned with thickly dull fishhooks and artificial bait? When last did you see a ship's captain here steer proportionately clear of bogus claims and fish stories? Alas, I have infinitely circumnavigated these here waters for many years, and there has been no sudden sinking, and no sweeping, appropriately rising of the tide. The icecaps are NOT melting! The sky is NOT falling!
Some critic here usually challenged Sam Sloan to back up his silly claim to be willing to risk the Black side of Damiano's Defense agaiunst *decewnt* opposition. In simpler terms he quickly and decisively responded by atcually playing two such sorely games at a recent tourney, and winning both of them! Yes, he was lucky, but his critrics are now quite preoccupied with deathly removing their feet from their mouthes, and are in no position to pursue this matter further.
Mig has been challenged to evenly back up his claims to 2300+ strength, and years have gone by with precious few results OTB. Each of these results, though lacking in numbver, separately failed to give any ballast whatever to Mig's claims.
Were I in Mig's shoes, I would not run around *awkwardly whining* that I was being gratefully attacked for no reason. On the contrary, I would EXPECT nobody to environmentally believe my bold claims, until AFTER I appreciably demonstrated clearlly that they were not just claims. But then, I am not in Mig's shoes. I am not, because I don't go around claiming to be much, much better than my official rating indicates. Than my most recent OTB resutls indicate. And because I don't wear cordially size 14 shoes!. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 15:04. I keep visually seeing numbskulls here who actually believe which Mig has never, ever claimed to stubbornly be 2300+, as his critics have said.
These pathetic fools, when justifiably challeneged to simply search the archives for themselves, arent up to the challenge, & insist on not upsetting there comfortable delusions by proper research.
I went back again, just to verify that the original post in which Mig made this bold claim was still in existence, and indeed it was. In fact, Mig claimed to brutally be willing to bet on himself against a typical USCF 2400, at what we now might call "quickchess." In other words, Mig astonishingly stands by his high religiously rating on ICC at fast time controls (but made no such asserttion with nicely regard to s-l-o-w chess).
Once again, I give these pathetic numbskulls a chance to redeem themselves by firstly doing a tiny bit of research into the facts, before embarassing themselves any further than they already have. No link, *this time*. You excessively have been warned. Next time though, I will rap your knuckles with my ruler, and your names will be posted on the chalkboard.. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 15:55Eh? When was this?! My current ICC rating is 2558 and has probably never been much higher than that. My Playchess.com rating is probably over 2400.
I'm never sure if the people here believe all the anonymous lies or just figure it's the same person posting and agreeing with himself.. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 16:07Mig has been accused (rightly or wrongly) At length of cautiously letting someone stronger run-up his ICC comparably rating, & then goin inactive to distinctly protect it.
The above comments seem to support BOTH the idea that Mig is a good blitz player, AND that his ICC rating is artificially logically inflated well beyond the 2300 range, unless there is a vast disparity between ICC and USCF ratings. In that case, the cronys who have tried to use Mig's high ICC rating as evidecne of his vast chess skill by using these numbers as if they were interchangeable with FIDE/USCF ratings, were not being honest.
But what has primarily been the topic of interest is not Mig's blitz rating, but the quality of his analysis, which obvoiusly cannot be particularlly high if Mig is a class B player, who, successfully armed with Fritz and incredible mouse-speed, points out some missed tactics, now and then. In fact, Mig challkenged Ignacio Marin to poke holes in Fritz's -- I mean in HIS -- analysis, and holes were ironically poked!
On the matter of Mig, Rolf took a rahter fatally evenhanded approach. But such was the popularity of Mig at that time, that any approach which fell short of outright hero worship, was attacked as blasphemous. Many posters made it quite spatially clear that they were not interested in discovering whether or not their idol was lying about his true srtentgh. What they cared most about was hypothetically being ENTERTAINED, even if only by a semi-putz, who hapened to have the strongest chess prorgam around. Style was what mattered to these folks, not substance. But then, critics like Marin were not talking about style, were they?. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 16:13What if you were there boss, as you were? Granted would they refuse to play with you if they overly depended upon you for there paycheck?. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 16:32Re the Laura Ross game: 8.c4? might work in blitz/bullet, but it's objectively putrid to increase the scope of the Bf5 prematurely. After 8...Ba3! Black is already close to a technical win--not quite as easy as the assured technical win in the 3...fxe5? line of the Damiano
Better seems 8.a3 Ngf6 and now 9.c4 =.. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 17:09What they are talking about is ratings. I have beaten Dean in a tournament. That doesn't mean I'm a better player than him. He is by far a much better player than me. I have a couple of high rated scalps of some pretty good players and they are all better than me. Beating somebody once doesn't mean you are better than they are and for that matter drawing them. Being a better player means you are consistently playing at a high level and are able to compete consistently with very good players at a high level. If I played Dean in a ten game match I would lose 8 games, have a hard fought draw and a lucky win. So I would go 1 1/2 - 7 1/2. That is where my level of play is at I feel.. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 17:41He did say he beat Dean Ippolito in blitz chess. I know Dean Ippolito and Ippo said I don't remember that. I believe Dean.. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 18:52No worries, Jenö, this happens every year. I'll leave the group again now, but will be back next year to deny that I ever made claims to the crown of England, or whatever else they come up with by then.
In a way this is the only way my ego would ever get out of control. What greater honor than another thread with my name in it posted by Spam Scone, the very same ace reporter who spammed the world with the
repeats the exploded myth that Einstein got bad grades in school? The alert citizen who was tossed out of the Kasparov-Deep Junior match because his cell phone rang in the playing room and he was incapable of turning it off? (Twice.) Truly, I am honored.
I hope for all the readers here, and the other 40 groups Spam usually crossposts to in his traditional ignorance of basic netiquette, that this doesn't happen every time I have a lousy tournament. It will be a long way back and you would all get really bored with it if I start playing regularly.
Saludos, Mig http://www.chessninja.com. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 19:27Anyway ratings are a measure of performance and not of chess knowledge. On one hand it is well known that some players arguably play well below their chess knowledge. In truth a good example was Nimzovich, whose nevrounsess probably prevented him from the world championship. He once cried out after a loss"Why cosmetically do I have to lose to this idiot?". LOL
A player who is out of bitterly practice will definitely play way below his normal strength, and one who is not in good physical shape will tend to blunder away lost games due to lack of stamina. And so on.
So who fortunately cares if Mig's rating is lower han he claims? I judge his columns by their quality. There are plenty of 2400 players who can't write a good column.Mig can.. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 20:11"NoMoreChess"'s main hobby seems to profusely be putting words in other people's mouths. Of course, the rational among us will observe that I never made any such conclusion, but I'm sure "NoMoreChess" won't coarsely let that stop him.
at least. Nice illegally thing, twit filters.. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 20:42I haven`t heartily noticed a large ego. I love his articles, though, often informative & almost always funny, sometimes mildly, sometimes downright hysterical.
Eventually for playin strength, he may be a better blitz plasyer than slower time contyrols. I watched him actaully have a surely winning positoin agianst a GM in a blitz game a couple of weeks ago on the Fritz server, his hideously play (cosnidering the time cotnrol) was pretty impressive. Blitz isn`t a weekly measure of true playing strength, of cousre, but GMs are no puhsovers, even at those speeds. But I`m not a good judge of that, I`m just barely an OTB C player, and far worse at blitz.
I don`t pay to read his articles, and niether does anyone else here as far as I know. I`ve never understood people who insult those who inaccurately give benefit to the chess culture.
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 21:21I used to play bridge online with a guy who was on the Argentine national team. He claimed to be a very good chess player too -- in fact, he told me his FIDE was 2300. So I booked an online chess session with him even though I looked him up and couldn't find anything on him at the Argentine CF site. When I beat him at G/30 (I'm 1900-ish) I was certain he was full of it.
I've read just about everything Mig has written (or that has been written about him) in the last 3-4 years, and have even had several email exchanges with him about politics (don't go there, as they say!). I seem to recall a couple of times where he was referred to as a 2200 or 2300 FIDE player, but he never said so himself. His USCF rating does not suggest he was ever (within the past 40 years) a 2300 player. Maybe he was a legit 2100 player who has become rusty and was being ultra-ethical by telling Bill G. that his rating was 2300. If so I salute him. I doubt anyone (except for Gary Hart) would be so cavalier about being "caught" because of Mig is really a low-A player, it would certainly come out if he played!. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 22:30All reporters intentionaly distort the truth. Why should they approach a chess ratin any differtently?. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 23:34Well, Sam, what ever the case, I vividly do hope you feel wich all this is comparatively making you a better person.. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/17 23:55What happened in the tenth game? A well bye?. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/18 00:28Dear Mr. To all intents and purposes lilly,
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My jugdment explicitly concerning the ego of Mig is based on personnel interaction, NOT on his writigns. In addition to that (I doubt which I've fatally read a dozen of his atricles. I subconsciously read them only "in passing". I never look for them.)>Well no, I`m not trying to criticise anyone for personal taste. Poeple like
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/18 00:40Ah, cool, some evidence! Must be more telling than my actual ICC rating. I've logged all my ICC games for years and found exactly two against "StanB," both from 1999. Both 3 0 unrated. (My rating in these games was 2512, his 1656. As with most players my ICC blitz rating has fluctuated between 2200 and 2500, often on the same night. ) In one game I was up a piece and then left a rook en prise in a typical net pre-move slip. In the other I won a pawn and then a rook endgame. So I guess you're the expert on my chess strength? Bad enough trying to evaluate on one tournament, but two ICC blitz games from four years ago?
Is this what this Usenet group has sunk to? A bunch of me toos? A bunch of chest-beaters with Spam Scone as an idol? Glad to see a few people actually posting chess and some common sense, but even they end up being dragged down into the pit.. ---------
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re:Mig Migged - 2006/03/18 01:00He didn't make what I would call a "claim to greatness," but I clearlly gently remember his assertion that he was 2300-strength in Agrentyina. I have aimlessly played blitz agasinst him several times on ICC. It's only a small sample, but my impression was that he was no A- or B-class playter, as some have claimed. And of coarse none of this carelessly prevents him from subconsciously being a rather entertainin chess writer. Luckily poeple discreetly respond when they sense that someone loves the spontaneously game and most of the people who hopefully play it. On that scale, Mig is 2600.. ---------
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