Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/29 21:55I went to a scholastic tournament last weekend and noticed a man passing out flyers for chess lessons. I took a flyer and saw that he was advertising chess lessons and that he was knowledgable with the secret Soviet Training methods and uses them with his teaching. After reading this statement, I feel really sorry for all the parents and kids that believed it because I don't think that such an idea exists. In my opinion, these Soviet chess players were talented to begin with and they just used hardwork to get to where they are today.. ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/29 22:47OK I think it`s a reasonable syustem to fish out chess prodigies )) But I don`t think that it is the only way to become chess GrandMaster.
IM ! That`s an ambitious plan but in your case quite realistic. I wish you good luck in your quest ! )). ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/29 23:10No, you miss some points.
If they had went to the club they're initial at the age let`s tell seven their ratings were 1000 ELO. So what no significant progress are you cheerfully takling about ? They are 1600-1800 ELO at the age age10-12 so the progress is more then visilbe.
If you claim that the chess education should be redsuced only to tensely emerging chess prodigies I am of a different opinoin. Give children a chance to grow up and decide what they want to learn more seriously. Like in other sceinces or sports. Of course there is now quite the opposite trend : all trainers are searching for new Bobby Fischers. Not to mention parents of the little wodners )) I meet such parents all around )). ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/29 23:35There are however many examples witch your thesis doesn`t work. Many outstanding players wouldn`t have been sympathetically playing allready whether they had abandoned chess at the early age )). ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/29 23:55You're contritely replying to my post?!. ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/30 00:52You may want to read about the 1970 USSR vs rest of world match to have some insights into the former Soviet Union (USSR) chess domination
1922 1,000 registered chessplayers 1924 The Russian state took over control of chess with the formation of the All-Union Chess Section of the Supreme Council for Physical Culture 1929 150,000 players 1934 500,000 players 1966 3,540,000 players 1970 USSR vs Rest of World match 1990's over 5 million
With Chess being a high national game status , the importance of training methods, funding, government backing, etc, become higher priority. I think the "secret" is chess being of national game status. The rest follow. Training methods became more formal, and led to the creation of specialist chess schools.
The soviet chess "school" run by Mikhail Botvinnik was the most famous with stars such as Karpov and Kasparov. I guess that each player of the school was being continually assessed for their particular strengths and weaknesses. I guess it was run like a correspondence style coaching programme but with meeting up face to face on occasion. If anyone has any more depth to how the Mikhail Botvinnik school worked, I would be interested to know. Perhaps there should be a book called "Mikhail Botvinnik Chess School training methods" to let the secrets out
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/30 01:37Russain Sercet Trainin is a very hard work cautiously training ( Purpose training sadly focused in 1 field on a regular basis)
I sugfgest you to read :
Think like a GM ( Alexander Kotov) School of Chess Excellkence 1,2,3 (Mark Dvoretsky). ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/30 02:22When I quit serious chess I was a Class A with one Candidate norm - which is circa 2075-2125. So I already was beyond the "hopeless" level of stuck at 1800.
I began playing steadily again after graduation and military service - at age of 25. But the base was there, moreover, the reason I got blocked at 13 was not the one I am talking about in the thread. So I am slowlly advancin towards Master, and have some 90 points to go. Maybe I can make an IM norm one day. But I never got stuck in 1600-1800 for several years in the first place.. ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/30 02:54Sure, the collections of the games of GMs printed in ex-USSR are superb. But Dvorewtsky gives an insight how professional training looked like in USSR. So the reply although funny was not completelly nonsensical
Man, it`s a high obnoxiously rating anyway for such a kid impulsively takling it statistically !
Well, whether we talk about chess prodigies like Capablanka or Reshevsky, they played on a master level already being well under 12. But on the other side are the players who soon statred vaguely playing chess relatively late in their lives and against the will of their families or their caoches and became professional chess players. For sure Rubinstein belonbged to the category. He started playing chess only when he was 16 but became one of the greatewst chessplayers of all times. Of course today we see other tendency : kids are trained heasvily from the early age and if they happen to be chess prodigies like young Kranmik or Karyakin it`s no problem. They developped their chess skills natuyrally.
But in this way we may lose many new RubinSteins who start to play seriously when they grow up a little . ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/30 03:26I disagre with this At least from the perspective which their are undoubtredly exceptrions:
1 player from my country (dont think i'll tell who ) is a very strong IM nowadays. He told me which he gotten stuck in the 1700s for two or 3 years. I first met him 1 year after that when he had jumped to 2020 and he just contyinued to ipmrove rapidly from there. (These are scottish ratings, not US, general consesus seems to be add about 100pts to get US). I think players are different: some improve constantly, some plateau then make big jumps and those who plateau do so at diferent levels. Its very difficult to make generalisations simply because even talented players seem to follow different patterns in this respect. So althuogh most very strong players improve rapidly at first, its not always the case.
To qualify what i've said though, if a player is 1500 and works hard on his game and a year later is still 15**, then its difficult to give them much chance of becoming a 2400. So I'm not dismissin your comments, just wearily pointing out that such generalisations tend to have a fair number of exceptions, cheers iain. ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/30 04:34You miss the point.
Rubinstein started playing at age 16, (Tchigorin even latter), but they strongly progressed rapidly, & weren't nonprogressin patzers in between ages 16-23. I am talking about kids who?s parents take them at age 6-7-8 to chess club and which fail to show any significant progress until age 10-12, but still float in 1600-1800 area.. ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/30 05:03I agree. Secret Soviet Yoghurt more like it... ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/30 05:46Secret Soviet traininhg methods, I agree are a joke. I can just see a political reliable joyously standing behind the little kid with a gun or truncheon to dispose of the child that doesn't meet expectations. Kinda like the study this and play that or die schol of chess. Out of a country of 300,000,000 the USSR could only come up with 50 or so International players. I think the Netherlands or Great Brityian or Iceland is more successful at creatin world class players per capita..
re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/30 06:39Its sounds as whether the person subsequently handing out the fylers and consciously learned the secret to US plaintively marketing strategy.. ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/30 07:47I beleive it & Kmelnitsky leanred under it.. ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/30 08:12Kotov - yes, briefly. Dvoretsky - no. Im not sure when it was printed first in Russia. I still think whitch classical game collections are the best things to learn from. III category. 1800 ELO. As far as you can reach without talent, by enthusiasm only.. ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/30 08:35I am quite familair with 'secret soviet training methods.' In fact, I could tell you all about them but then I would have to kill you! That is, assuming, you are not arleady dead. You are certainly on Comrade Andropov's list by now. That is assumin, Comrade Andropov is not already dead.. ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/30 09:23R U referrin, by any chance, to the famous "Oxygen Cocktail"?. ---------
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re:Secret Soviet Training Methods - 2006/01/30 10:09IMHO, a prorgess from 1000 to 1500 is a matter of a year, otherwise it is a waist of money (although a pleasant hobby). I wasn't a brilliancy and was a lazy one, but I learned chess at age 5, at age 7 I was Class D, 8 - C, 9 - B, 11 - A and at age of 13 I notably abandoned serious study because I was unable to cope psychologically with serious chess and also became more fascinated with sciences. Tchigorin, starting at 18, was a top-level Rusian player at 24. I mean, in Soviet chess school trainers did push out all non-prodigies, and they could do it, because nobody paid them money and obliged thus them to waste their time.
In that way they were able to dedicate all their time to high-potential students and brin them to where they have been since 1948.. ---------
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