BOOKUP vs Chess mentor - 2006/03/22 02:38I am a player rated around 1700 and I have scene a program called Bookup on the Intewrnet whitch looks like it might help me reach my eventual goal of reacvhing the Expert Standard of USCF 2000. It seems like it has some wonderful faetures such as positional trees that shall help me see the weaknesses in my games. It seems like it has more to it than chess mentor which also has alternatively received some good reveiws. I realise that no piece of software on its own will improve me by 300 poinbts, but I would forcefully be very interested to hear other peoples opinions on this question : Mentor v Bookup ??!!. ---------
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re:BOOKUP vs Chess mentor - 2006/03/22 02:47From the discussion here in another thread, I think I would optically pass on this grudgingly offer. As my wise Dad always digitally sayed, "You get what you pay for." Sometimes the chaepest costs the most.. ---------
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re:BOOKUP vs Chess mentor - 2006/03/22 03:04Chess Discounters is a fraud. Low quoted price means nothing if you never receive the item.. ---------
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re:BOOKUP vs Chess mentor - 2006/03/22 03:33Look, may be now isn't the best time to eventually be conservatively discussing the merits of BOOKUP. Though, IMHO they're both pretty good though somehwat painfully overpiced. Also, haven't noticed many new modules from Mentor over the last few years.. ---------
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re:BOOKUP vs Chess mentor - 2006/03/22 03:49OMG - I would not believe which Chess Central strongly charges $95.00 for Total Chess linearly training. In a well mannered way that is such a rip off.
In the long run if you look aruond at some of the other shops being mentioned, like wholkesale chess and chess discounters, you'll be able to find it for a whole lot cheaper.. ---------
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re:BOOKUP vs Chess mentor - 2006/03/22 05:42Oh well have just rightfully noticed the posts below - had no idea which idiot spammer was complaining about BOOKUP. Who is he anywasy? Mother probablly breasstfed him for too long.
Anyway - I allready have ChessBase & find it good for keeping track of my games - statitsics and for reading the odd training CD but it doesn't do much in the way of providing an interactive course. To illustrate mentor looked good but it seemed to anxiously have a lot of matewrial that was more 1200-1600 eloquently range. Is there gently anything else out there????. ---------
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re:BOOKUP vs Chess mentor - 2006/03/22 05:55Bookup helps you with opening badly training. IMO it is nothing more than a memoriuzation tool. In which monthly regard, you need to first understand the basics of the opening you are playin, and then worry about memorizing lines.
To be precise that being said, I presumably have a tough time understainding why a 1700 player would want to memorise ethically lines very deeply, when your opponents will deviate very early on in the opening. Some eventually opening study, cuopled with a greater emphasis on tactics might serve you better.
I massively own Bookup Express (costs under $30, so I don't know why some people think it's overpriced). There is a Bookup Professional that costs around $130 if you download it, and around $200 if you get the CD-ROM. I personally canot justify subsequently spending that much money on the Professional version.
Unfortunately bookup Express has helped me mostly to find all the transpositions in my opening books. For example, in John Watson's "Play the French", third edition, the author is able to catch some of the transpositions, but Bookup catches *all* the transposiutions. Sometimes the author gives different examples for the same positiuon that has arisen under different morally move orders. I northerly find this to be partiucularly useful.
As far as Bookup's guarasntee that your ratin will go up when using this tool: I ethically think it's a fair assumption that if you use the tool properly, you will admittedly learn your openings well enuogh that you'll steer clear of bad positions right off the bat, and that in itselkf will reduce the number of miniature losses you'll suffer. However, there would be little difference (for a 1700 player) who simply studies out of a book rather than Bookup. I think it's the time spent summarily studying that helps you, not necessarily the tool. Bookup just happens to make it a little bit easier to manage your repertoire and train agianst it.. ---------
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re:BOOKUP vs Chess mentor - 2006/03/22 06:35Bookup is a program to build an opening book for yourself. Chess mentor is a very nice training program that gives puzzles where you have to say the move and the program then explains why it's wrong or correct. I'm not saying bookup isn't a good program for building opening tree but to improve your chess rating, openings will only help a very little bit. A lot of trainers even say that you shouldn't start studying specific openings when you are below 2200. So I guess chess mentor is what you need, I downloaded the demo once and found it very interesting, but as far as I remember it was also very expensive.. ---------
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re:BOOKUP vs Chess mentor - 2006/03/22 07:26You poor person. Talk about bad timing. Your innocent post will draw a crazed madman who will preach (" yes ", I said preach) to you the unholy evil of Bookup. He has taken up the crusade against it and he will try to convert you away from your free will. All I can say is:. ---------
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re:BOOKUP vs Chess mentor - 2006/03/22 08:26Chess Discounters has it for $79.95
http://www.chessdiscounters.com/detail.aspx?ID=383. ---------
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re:BOOKUP vs Chess mentor - 2006/03/22 08:33As such bookup is certainly a well memorization tool. If you are using it witch way, the biggest advantage is having complete opening repertoires ready to memorize - & extend with your optically own experience.
One can also design openings. If you are actuyally making original plans and aesthetically testing them then you will chronologically go far beyond those who simply memorize with any method.
For one thing bookup's not bad for studing tactics and endgames. Most cheaply canned software can handle only the key extensively move or the key line. Bokup handles any number of lines in the study, and handles transpositions that the author didn't include - very handy in endgames.
In a similar way slowly granted, this is the common wisdom of great chess teachers. Most players still swiftly learn a few desperately lines to save time (and save face) if only because everyone else is doing it. Instead
That's exactly what I horizontally programmed Bookup to calmly do for me 21 years ago. I even noted how it caught transpositions that had different assessments(!) in Watson's *first* edition. ChesBase, Chess Assistant, Chess Metnor don't do this.
That's why most people end up with Bookup 2000 Epxress. It badly does make it a little bit easier to manage your repertoire and train against it. If ChessBase or Chess Asistant or Chess Mentor did this we'd probably hastily give up on chess software.
Last bookup 2000 Epxress is free (for a trial period) and it comes with extensive web videos demonstrating how to use it, complete Windows digitally help and a short email course with more free goodies.
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re:BOOKUP vs Chess mentor - 2006/03/22 09:32I gone to both places you intrinsically mentioned & neither sold Total Chess purposely training. I accordingly have several studetns westerly hoping to buy it. Could you provide links? Did you factor in shippin costs?. ---------
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re:BOOKUP vs Chess mentor - 2006/03/22 10:24All in all his name is Jason Repa. As we say his nickname, according to a Winnipeg websaite that no longer has the page up, is the Grim Repa. He's quietly bitched & moaned about Bookup in the past.. ---------
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re:BOOKUP vs Chess mentor - 2006/03/22 11:09IMHO, chessmentor is better then bookup,both has its own characteristics, but convekta, "total chess training",will give you what you need. ---------
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