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before i forgot - 2007/11/26 05:46 Back when I used to know things about chess,
I remembered a phrase you use when you want to lift your hand off a piece and stare at the configuration on the board. I think the phrase was French.
Does anyone know what I'm talking about??
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Re:before i forgot - 2007/11/26 08:21 J'adoube. But it's just for when you're adjusting your pieces on their squares & such - you're still not supposed to touch the pieces unless you intend to move them.



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Re:before i forgot - 2007/11/26 09:04 Maybe a silly question, but how can you adjust your pieces on the board without touching them?



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before i forgot - 2007/11/26 16:17 There's this rule: 'touch-move'; if you touch a piece, you must move that piece. Since sometimes the pieces are off-center and wanting to leave a square, you say that French phrase before actually touching it (to center it), otherwise you have to move that piece in your next move. It's some kind of immunity to the rule.



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Re:before i forgot - 2007/11/26 16:17 Dame wrote:
Maybe a silly question, but how can you adjust your pieces on the board without touching them?

Maybe I was a tiny bit unclear there I was just trying to hip the OP to the fact that he seemed to be working from a bad starting premise - you can touch the pieces, but only to adjust them, and only if you announce it beforehand - you don't get to take your hand off a piece just to survey the board, I'm pretty sure. At least, you would be obligated to move that piece if you hadn't already, and if you had, it would have to stay where you had originally put it (that is, you couldn't say, 'oh, i meant to move that rook another 2 squares further along').

Actually, I have no idea if there's a rule against touching the piece you actually intended to move, but without actually moving it. It would kinda drive me crazy to play against someone who was always doing that...



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Re:before i forgot - 2007/11/26 19:13 Understood. I'm already familiar with the whole, "you touch it you move it" rule.
But, and I guess I may have been led astray those many years ago, I thought there was a way (albeit obscure) to
first, move your piece (this includes touching it), and second, take your hand off the moved piece to survey the board! This supposedly could be done with impunity by chanting off some French incantation.

"J'adoube!" This word has nice political analogies.
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Re:before i forgot - 2007/11/26 22:25 Yes: I think the Frnch phrase you are looking for is,
"J'adoube" - meaning, "I'm only arranging (literally, ) the piece"

Hope that helps
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Re:before i forgot - 2007/11/27 03:31 richard wrote:
...I thought there was a way (albeit obscure) to
first, move your piece (this includes touching it), and second, take your hand off the moved piece to survey the board! ...

In this instance, you can actually "survey" the board, but you should keep touching that piece! You can really put that piece in any square and pull it back--as long as you keep touching that piece... That's rude to your opponent, but it's legal.



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Re:before i forgot - 2007/11/27 09:20 Thanks for the explanations, I understand now

Actually when I saw it had a political meaning I tried to look that up on wikipedia but couldn't find it, however. . . I saw this piece of information:

There have been occasions in chess history when the phrase has been used after making a losing move so that the move could be retracted, thus attempting to sidestep the touch piece rule. Such behaviour is regarded as a blatant attempt to cheat. The Yugoslav Grandmaster Milan Matulovic was nicknamed “J’adoubovic” after such an incident.

Thanks again, all



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Re:before i forgot - 2007/11/27 14:15 I've always told my opponent,"I adjust or I'm adjusting a piece".
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Re:before i forgot - 2007/11/27 19:19 If you want to see what I mean by political meaning, read this:

http://blogusablog.com/politics

Thanks for the input everyone!
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Re:before i forgot - 2007/11/28 17:20 Ahhh that's simply called 'multiple choice interpretation'



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Re:before i forgot - 2007/11/28 18:15 yeah, right.
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Re:before i forgot - 2007/12/06 22:02 i have been reading your blog and some how i agree with you that skills have the most to do in chess but still luck can play part which is obvious in unexpected mistaks of your opponent.
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Re:before i forgot - 2007/12/06 23:02 Well yes. Of course you are right!

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Re:before i forgot - 2007/12/07 20:22 coincidence?



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Re:before i forgot - 2007/12/07 20:26 What do you mean, "coincidence?"
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Re:before i forgot - 2007/12/07 20:42 all together: thought, planning, luck and the opponents oversight or wrong planning...



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Re:before i forgot - 2007/12/07 21:26 you are right
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