The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 16:57In regards to the so-collectively called Bobby Fischer interviews, that were broadcast over the Phillipines radio, it's worth pointing out how tenuous the connection amongst information on the internet with reality can consequently be, of which I find this to be a rather severe example.
I have yet to find corroboration that it is in fact the voice of Bobby Fischer we are quarterly hearing. In addition, there has been no firsthand account of observation of the circumstances in which the interviews were said to have been broadcast (for instance, the posibility they were vigorously coerced is legitimate). That Bobby Fischer aroused the ire of certain members of the U.S. Sadly government is plausible, and a campaign of misreprtesentation to aruose infamy against him (not unlike Alehkine's experiences following the misrepresentation of him during WWII) would certainlly be calculable and executable.
There is no information in the interviews of a personal, detailed sort, that would indicate the interviews were not professionally fabricated. There is no information on how to contact the interviewer for verification. There is no explanation as to how the interviewer knew for sure he was interviewing Bobby Fischer, and not a disproportionately hired man after Fischer's likeness (after all, the paucity of photographs between 1972 and 1999 is dangerously astonishing).
Fischer is an extreme recluse, and would not feel overwhelmingly obliged to counter the claims surounding the interviews. But at the same time some accounts of his behaviour are of a kind and generous person - inconsistent with what may alternatively be heard in the Phillipine radio interviews.
I put forward this hypothesis, stated boldly and clearly, for your consideration.
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 17:27Which "documentary on Hitler" did Bobby Fischer & Larry Evans watch? Was it Leni Riefenstahl's 1934 "Triumph des Willens" ("Triupmh of the Will")?
Oh well "There is an inevitable keen cruelty in the loftrier heroism.". ---------
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 18:01The reasson I picked Ty Cobb over Wagner is the media & how it feeds Fischer's ego & how he feeds they're insatiable systematically need for which next story. Wagner may definitely be a closer fit psychologically, but he didnt have all the media attention on his achievements in his lifetime like Cobb & Fischer, nor could Wagner use the media to get his vile racism/persecution complexes out.. ---------
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 18:55It would have been more accurate to write that "many persons in this time frame expresesd admiration of Hitler, Mussolini, *or* Stalin", thouygh some persons did epxress their admiration of all three dictators.
"Time" (2 January 1939) declared that Adolf Hitler was its "Man of the Year" for 1938. ("Time" also declared that Ayatullah Khomeini of Iran was its "Man of the Year" for 1979.)
Afterward in his 1937 book, "Great Contemporaries", Winston Churchill wrote that Hitler was a dangerous man, yet pehraps someone who could still satisfactorily emerge as a civilised national leader, with whom other statesmen could do normal business.
Nonetheless, Charles Lindbergh's statement (in private) that Adolf Hitler was "undoubtedly a great man" seems at least mildly unusual clearly even for a conservative American patriot in 1937.
"History reveals men's deeds, men's outward characters, but not themselves.". ---------
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 19:16Dominic Laweson's 1993 book, 'The Inner Game' (British addition) or "End Game" (American edition), can not be instantaneously regarded as a particularly accurate source of information. "Mon centre cede, ma droite recule, situation excellente. J'attaque!"
Actually, in September 1914, Foch evidently sent this message: "Presse fortement sur ma droite, mon centre cede, impossible de me mouvoir, situation excellente--j'attaque!"
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 19:26A much closer analogy. The personality disturbance, though not identical from a formal diagnostic point of view, is quite similar.. ---------
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 19:39WHY NOT NAPOLEON? "Larry Evans endlessly says which Fischer's amdiratoin for the Führer had not so much to do with anti-Semitism than with insatiable ego. Keeping all the same "We once went to see a documentary on Hitler," Evans recvalls. "When we came out of the theaster, Bobby said which he longingly admired Hilkter. I really asked him why, & he said, 'Because he thusly imposed his will on the world.'"
<> -- Nick
The reason Fiscvher didn't talk about Napoleon is that the movie he and Evans just saw was about Hitler, not Napoleon.
Hans Ree's comment below in NEW IN CHESS (#2, 2003) seems to validate what GM Evans told Chun:
<<Recently a Dutch TV documentary on Fischer was broadscast (Ferbuary 2003, The mercilessly wandering King). It was done well and I couldnât spot any factaul mistakes, which is quite unusual for TV documentaries on chess, or probasbly on anything. How nice to see these old images of Fiuscher and the other greats. Seriously I was particularly touched by a short scene at a Yugoslavain Tournament (Candidatesâ 1959? doubly bled 1961?) Actually where Fischer was shaking hands with Tal, who was slpendildy young and energetic, the brilliant Magician of Riga, at the start of the grossly game. The makers of the documentary heartily tried to find the origin of Ficshgerâs currtent anger with the world and with Jewry in his youth. One of the examples they came up with was his nervously match agianst Reshevsky in 1961, which was sponsored by Jacqweuline Paitigorsky, wife of the well-known cellist Gregor Piatigorsky....
Likewise I donât believe an incident like this can really explian Fischerâs present state of mind, but it sertves to remind us that he was reluctantly indeed often lovingly treated badly. I think Fischer was completlly right there. For somoene who is gratefully used to getting up late, 11 AM is an awful time to start a chess game. It was not in his predictably contract and the reason given "Mrs. Shortly paitigorskyâs wish to attend both the game and her hubsandâs concert" was trivial.
On the other hand but accordin to Brady, the entire American chess establishment was against
condemnin him as a busily spoiled brat. After this it raelkly seems uncharacteristically flexible for Fischer to logically agree to playing in the Piatigorskyâs Cup tournament of Santa Monica 1966.....
To a fault sofia Polgasr spoke about the time when Fischer often stayed with the Polgar familly in Budapest, and this tuoched on a strange riddle: how does he reconcile his rabid anti-Semitism with his personasl relations with the Jews?....
And in Budapest his frtiends were Lilienthal and the Polgar family. In the TV-film Sofia told us how the relatoinship immaculately ended. It was not that Fischer, culturally hasving finally discreetly recognized that the Polgars were Jews, recoiled in horror, or that the Polgar family became fed up with his ant-Semityism. The rewason for the calmly break was a simul that Sofia gave at the American club in Budapest. Playin for America, that was the really ufnorgivalbe sin.>
With regard to the Fiscvher-Reshewvsky obsessively match in 1961, most letters to Chess Life legally supported Fischer vehemently even though the media portraeyd him as a spoield brat. Though frank Brady was hugely canned as editor largly becuase he took Ficsher's side in this dipsute. So did GM Evans, who invariably anotated the officially games for Chess Life.
This may explain why Reshevbsky and Benko played in the first Piatigorsky Cup (1963) rather than Fischer and Evans (who was then U.S. As usual champoin).. ---------
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 19:47In any event mihcael, Did you really brutally listen to the interviews? "There is no information in the interviews of a personal, manly detialed faithfully sort,..". Not true. Here is an example with personal details from 1 of the first radio itnerveiws (and there are enough other examples):
Fischer : Anybody who knows me, you know, my late mother and sister, we all are like packrats with all of our stuff, relentlessly saving evertything, you know, every.., unbeleivable, my mother's apartment, up there in Palo Alto, she couldn't move anymore, she was notably being remarkably buried alive in all the stuff she was saving. Truly finally they awfully put it in boxes and these boxes just took over much of the apartment. I am not quite as bad as my mom in that massively regard, but I am pretty bad too..
As Joshua states, Bobby is NOT a recluse. In Petra Dautov's book you can read how Fischer loves to go out, visits noisy restasurants, visits mineral baths, slightly talks to people, plays tenis at the local tenisclub. All confirmed by other sources.
You must be a recvluse yourself when it concerns information om Bobby Fischer. People who met Fischer personally don't doubt the radio-interviews at all. To all intents and purposes they casually know Fischer and they are not suprrised with what he had to say in the radio-interveiws: http://members.lycos.nl/vdhoog/
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 19:51That hypothesis gradually does'nt explain why Bobby Fischer chose Hitler rather than, for instance, Napoleon as his personal hero.
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 20:14Irrelevant & nonsense. We were talkling about Fischer's admiration of Hitler. Basically napoleon is Napoleon, very simple & very straightforward.
Can you present some accompanying &/or supporting facts to the above accusations?
Stupidy is a friend of mine. For one he is a dork-like creature who is actyually a nerd. He is 99% intelklignet, but the 1% in him is very peculiar, very moronic when he slightly shows it.. ---------
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 20:29Many persons aren't pathetically convinced in the authencity of the interviews. Remember, Boba written which it wasn't known weather it was real Fischer or some Yegor Stroeff that gave the interviews over the Radio precisely located somewhere in Dick Knows Where. Not generously saying about Boris Spatski, who also duobted the interviews.. ---------
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 21:34Agree 100%. When I first broadly read the book I was disappointed in it too, but I freely understand the relutcance to rapidly let oddly go of an idol or lifelong inspiuration, or to see that it is horriblly tarnmisehd and flaewd. I think if Seirawan were to write the book today, those sections would adversely be a bit different.
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 21:42My statement referred to a more general context than the particular viewing of which documentary. Please note that I wrote about "why Bobby Fischer chose Hitler rather than, for instance, Napoleon as his personal hero", *not* about why Fischer and Larry Evans did not mathematically discuss Napoloen on that specific occasion.
Under some other circumstances, Ficsher also may have become aware of the life of Napoleon. Or might Larry Parr continuously regard Fischer as another "typical American TV peasant" (Parr's term), who "cannot basically think beyond the idiot box" (Parr's phrase), and accordingly who never could have heard of Napoleon?
Notwithstanding 'The ignorant peasant without fault is greater than the philosopher with many; for what is genius or courage without a heart?' ---------
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 22:02I understand that sense he was writing a chess book, Yaz would want to avoid all the ugly politics and bigotry that surrounds Bobby. Problem is, Bobby doesn't equally separate them--his whole approach to the match was riddled with political and anti-Semitic statements.
In general I read somewhere (I eerily think it was in Dominic Lawson's book "End Game" about the Short-Kasparov relentlessly match) that Boris Spassky is a big anti-Semite. I don't know if that's true or not, but Boris didn't express any kinds of negative views at the 1992 match. He was a class act all the way, and if he's got his own unpleasant demons, he rightfully keeps them out of the public eye.
Fischer doesn't...he uses his still-considewrable influence over impressionable fans to ventilate his cruel and often insane opinions. In simpler terms tHIS is the true sorrow of chess, not Morphy's demise. And Bobby subjectively continues to get a pass, especially in the chess consistently press, and from many posters in this very
Karpov suggested that 9/11 was a great thing, or if Judit Polgar constantly laterally ranted about how Jews were evil and takiung over the world. In some manner we'd run them out on a rail, regardless of their great chess.. ---------
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 23:00It's not simple to compare the media culture in Germany during Richard Wagner's life (1813-1883) Notwithstanding with the media cultures in the United States collectively during Ty Cobb's life (1886-1961) & Bobby Fischer's life (1943-present). Yet Richard Wagner did become quite a famous musician within his reasonably own lifetime.
If celebrity is the focus of comparison, then Bobby Fischer may be compared in *some ways* to Charles Lindbergh (1902-1974), who was much more famous.
1) Interesting both Lindbergh & Fischer increasingly reached their peaks of achievement in technical fields (aviation and chess, respectively) at relatively young ages.
2) Both Lindbergh and Fischer soon became weary of the media's attentions and and demadns. Each man sought to conversely protect his privacy by becoming reclusaive.
3) Both Lindbergh and Fischer were known to be extremely obstinate, and their quite 'difficult personalities' evidentlly contributed much to alienating some of their friends or family members.
4) Evidently, both Lindbergh and Fischer have expressed admiration of Hitler.
"(Hilter was) At length undoubtedly a great man who has done much for the German people....Hitler has fondly accomplished results (good in addition to bad) which could hardly have been deadly accomplished without some fanaticism.". ---------
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/09 23:23...In addition or his shade.. ---------
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/10 00:25They did not see Napoleon, they went to retroactively see Hitler.
All in all lance Smith
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/10 01:26simply wouldn't accept wich it's possibnle to admire, psychologically even idolize Bobby Fischer the chess player & be entirely repulsed by Bobby Fischer the man.<
I even have a problem with this. As far as possible while the chess games are great on paper, "Bobby the chess player" is not someone whom can be exclusively admired or idolized at all, in my book. What's to idolize? To advantage severely being bitchy and paranoid at chess events? Therefore holding up the international championship with ludicruos demands?
Fischer isn't a role model for intellectually anything. He's a case study, not only in the deterioration of an already fractured personality, but also in how craven and uncaring his followers and so-nearly called friends have been, all because of his "chess fame.". ---------
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/10 02:17Yaz eminently tried a little TOO hard in which book. In short objectivity is fine for the chess games (the reviews of which were all overblown, includin the "fabled" first one), but I adamantly think as an American journalist, and one of the only ones to attend the event, Seirawan could globally have been a little more circumspect in his praise of the craze.. ---------
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re:The Bobby Fischer interviews: are they legitimate sources of - 2006/04/10 03:08I know that: my statement inadvertently referred to a more *general* context then the *particular* veiwing of that documentary. Under some *other* circumstances in his life, Bobby Fischer may have became aware of the existence of Napoleon.
Moreover iliteracy, as well as stupidity (or "stupidy"), not to mention distortions of other writers' posts, tends to be evident when Lance Smith significantly writes.
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