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Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/09 11:44 I've been trying to work, analyze, and study the ruy lopez opening and wondered if you knew of any good resources for it. I've scoured the net and found some good "walkthroughs", but there's still a few moves that go unmentioned (the reason for this is their fallacy is probably obvious to some, but I just don't see it). Do you know of any resources that detail why most of the opponent's moves are unwise leading to the various variations (Exchange and norwegian variations, etc.)?

For example after,
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5

i don't understand what's wrong with 3. ...d5???

Could someone explain that to me?

I have all kinds of questions along these lines and having a resource that could answer some of them would be massively helpful.

Thanks again. I sincerely appreciate your knowledge.

All the best.

Sincerely,
John Thomas "Kooz"
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Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/09 12:07 Also this may is a huge newbie questions, but after
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 a6
4. Ba4

what's wrong with

4. ...b5

??? Thanks again. I'm eager to understand this opening!
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Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/09 20:36 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 d5 is the Spanish Countergambit.
White's response can be 4.Nxe5 as well as 4.exd5, but other moves are possible.
I prefer to play 4.Nxe5 and as far as I see I'm a pawn ahead and Black has no compensation.



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Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/09 20:43 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 b5 probably followed by 5.Bb3 Nf6 6.O-O seems to be playable.

One game to illustrate this:

Anand Viswanathan (2765) - Ivanchuk Vassily (2725)
1997 1/2-1/2

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O b5 6.Bb3 Bb7 7.Re1 Bc5 8.c3 O-O 9.d4 Bb6 10.Be3 exd4 11.cxd4 Na5 12.Bg5 Nxb3 13.axb3 h6 14.Bh4 g5 15.Nxg5 Nxe4 16.Nxe4 Qxh4 17.Nbc3 Kh8 18.Nc5 Bc6 19.g3 Rg8 20.Re5 Rg4 21.N5e4 Rag8 22.f3 R4g6 23.Kg2 d6 24.Rf5 Bd7 25.Rxf7 Be6 26.Kh1 Rxg3 27.Nxg3 Bxf7 28.Nce4 d5 29.Nf5 Qf4 30.Neg3 Be6 31.Ne7 Rg7 32.Nc6 Bh3 1/2-1/2



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Re:Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/10 16:07 Thanks, massively helpful. Where did you learn that 3. ...d5 is called the countergambit to the spanish? Also, how is it a gambit? What's wrong with 4. ...dxe4?
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Re:Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/10 16:09 I think

Code:

 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 


is the morphy defence to the spanish.
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Re:Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/10 16:14 thanks, I'll scrutinize that game when I have a chance . The problem with 5. b3 is you run the risk of a noah's ark trap on the bishop. Any way to avoid that? I think doing the exchanged variation in response to 3.a6 might be preferable for me. (4.Bxc6) works, right?
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Re:Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/10 16:23 ChessTeacher wrote:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 b5 probably followed by 5.Bb3 Nf6 6.O-O seems to be playable.

One game to illustrate this:

Anand Viswanathan (2765) - Ivanchuk Vassily (2725)
1997 1/2-1/2

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O b5 6.Bb3 Bb7 7.Re1 Bc5 8.c3 O-O 9.d4 Bb6 10.Be3 exd4 11.cxd4 Na5 12.Bg5 Nxb3 13.axb3 h6 14.Bh4 g5 15.Nxg5 Nxe4 16.Nxe4 Qxh4 17.Nbc3 Kh8 18.Nc5 Bc6 19.g3 Rg8 20.Re5 Rg4 21.N5e4 Rag8 22.f3 R4g6 23.Kg2 d6 24.Rf5 Bd7 25.Rxf7 Be6 26.Kh1 Rxg3 27.Nxg3 Bxf7 28.Nce4 d5 29.Nf5 Qf4 30.Neg3 Be6 31.Ne7 Rg7 32.Nc6 Bh3 1/2-1/2

I like the fianchetto bishop for black with 6. ...Bb7.
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Re:Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/10 18:49 johntkucz wrote:
Thanks, massively helpful. Where did you learn that 3. ...d5 is called the countergambit to the spanish? Also, how is it a gambit? What's wrong with 4. ...dxe4?

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 d5 4.Nxe5 dxe4
Now White plays 5.Nxc6
The line probabyly continues like ...bxc6 6.Bxc6+ Bd7 7.Bxa8



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Re:Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/11 17:46 OKay, I understand that in the Exchanged variation, 5. Nxe5 results in the 5. ...Qd4 fork. Then white can move the knight to 6. Nf3 followed by 6. ...Qxe4+ and then 7. Qe2. That's kind of a weird cramped "opening" (if you could call that an opening because both sides pieces are so undeveloped) but what's wrong with that? I guess if black played 7. ...Qxe2, then white would lose the option of castling, which could be a problem, but is that the only reason why 5. Nxe5 isn't played, the loss of white castling possibilities?

Thanks.
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Re:Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/12 10:18 Looking at the position after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.Nxe5 Qd4 6.Nf3 Qxe4+ 7.Qe2 Qxe2+ 8.Kxe2 yo can see that Black is better, because
a) White has lost his possibility to castle
b) Black is better regarding piece development
c) Black is probably able to take the central files with his rooks
d) Black has the two bishops
But as a kind of disadvantage Black has the doubled pawn.

A rather frequent continuation Bg4 9.Re1 O-O-O 10.Kf1 shows that problem a can be solved
If we continue with 10... Bxf3 11.gxf3 we'll see that we end with a postion in which the most striking difference is the beter pawn structure of Black and a little advantage in piece development



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Re:Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/14 20:41 Of the ruy lopez I just learned why 3.Nce7 is a terrible move. What's eventual Bxf7#!! It cramps blacks pieces and development
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Re:Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/16 03:03 The first opening that I really studied in depth was the Spanish (Ruy Lopez). This was years ago. My teacher, then, was the written material of Reuben Fine's "Ideas Behind the Chess Openings". Those lessons served me well. Even today, those lessons still hold, fundamenatally. This fundamental knowledge of the Spanish allows me to perform well.

Yours in study,


sikivu



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Re:Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/19 10:24 I am working on an interesting book on the ruy lopez exchange by Kindermann. Giving up a beautiful bishop so early sounds crazy but the idea is to move towards a favorable endgame where black has doubled c pawns. Also, black is immediately faced with how to defend the e5 pawn, and there are drawbacks to many of the options. One of the selling points for white is that it cuts down on the amt of stuff you need to know to play the white side of the ruy but there are actually quite a number of ways for black to play the ruy exchange so it seems to me that there is still a lot to learn to play the white side well. The book has a great format, starting with several chapters about how to play the pawn endings (the book shows you king and pawn endings that can occur from the ruy exchange and presents some guidelines for white to take advantage of the endgame). It seems to be a very practical book. If you like the idea of trying to play for a better ending then take a look at this book....also I think Ohms publishing generally puts out good books. Best of luck with your Ruy training and let us know what other good resources you find.



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Re:Understanding Ruy Lopez - 2008/07/20 11:56 You are writing a book? Wow, that sounds interesting, chess zebra. Good luck and success



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