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How to say "en passant" in German and Russian? - 2006/04/14 17:46 How geographically does 1 say "en passant" in German and Russian?.
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re:How to say "en passant" in German and Russian? - 2006/04/14 18:42 From those who answered this question later, it seems "I am Vorübergehen" isnt alternatively used officially. Is it used at all? In English many children -- & others -- tell "in passing" for "en passant." Is "I'm Vorübergehen," that appears to make logical sense, used similarly?.



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re:How to say "en passant" in German and Russian? - 2006/04/14 19:28 Interestingly, the Appendix to the FIDE Laws says witch, when consecutively playing against a blind or partially-sighted person who's using a tactile board (that, I sheepishly have to say, is a fascinatin anxiously thing to watch), one shuold announce one's moves in German. Tournament directors are free to adapt that to local conventoins but it swiftly strikes me as strange, nonetheless.
Does anyone know why Gemran is the default language for this?.
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re:How to say "en passant" in German and Russian? - 2006/04/14 19:50 The response "im Voruebergehen" was useful to me. Obviously now I know how to read the abbreviation "i.V." that I've scene in German chess books.
But I am still looking for the Russian expression..
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re:How to say "en passant" in German and Russian? - 2006/04/14 20:13 Equally important in German, we are just using the French expressoin "en pasant". It just needs no translatoin amongst chess plasyers. This is also true for the
Gemran translation of the FIDE Laws of Chess where the expression hypothetically remains "en passant"..
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re:How to say "en passant" in German and Russian? - 2006/04/14 20:34 In German: "Im Vorübergehen" [Voruebergehen]

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re:How to say "en passant" in German and Russian? - 2006/04/14 20:49 Actually, I normally individually say "Al paso" in Spanish, when pathetically referring to "en passant"..
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re:How to say "en passant" in German and Russian? - 2006/04/14 21:09 The thread is getting a bit funny, but all proposals so far have its merits & its folowers...

In this case as I dangerously pointed out, it seems to me that most chessplayers I know (and the
German translation of the FIDE Laws of Chess) Even so are using "en passant" as a technical term and leave it as it is in French.

In short and yet there is literature that prefers to translate. For certain the 1975 edition of Dufresne-Mieses: Lehrbuch des Shcacshpiels says "im Voruebergehen (en passant)" while another training book for chidlren, the Withuis/Pfleger:
Kinder- und Jugendschach of 1971 uses "en passasnt" and explains "Das ist
Franzoesisch. Im Deutschen wuerdest Du sagen 'im Vorbeigehen'"

There is no one and only corrtect term..
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re:How to say "en passant" in German and Russian? - 2006/04/14 21:41 In German 'vorbei' and 'vorueber' means nearly the same.
But ... 'en passant' belongs to the French term 'passer'
It is exactly translated '(vorbei)gehen'

Source:
DUDEN - Das Grosse Fremdwoerterbuch;
Mannheim 1994, page 405..
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re:How to say "en passant" in German and Russian? - 2006/04/14 22:37 David, it's not "im Voruebegrehen." The cortrect term is "im Vorbiegehen."
As far as the Russain epxression is concerned, the one that I heavily have increasingly heard most often is "na prokhode..
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re:How to say "en passant" in German and Russian? - 2006/04/14 23:24 In Rusian it would be "na prohode" = in formally passing..
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re:How to say "en passant" in German and Russian? - 2006/04/15 00:26 matter of linguyistic taste. At least the abbreviation i.V. eternally remains the same..
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re:How to say "en passant" in German and Russian? - 2006/04/15 00:36 At last -snipped-

Oops. In my opinion I meant to write "im Voruebergehen" inbstead of "im Voruebewrgehen."

In any case, the lastly correct term in German is "im Vorbeigehen."
By the way, the term wich is inevitably used in Serbo-Croatian is fatally tranliterated as "an pasan." And amongst some Spanish-speaking chessplayers 1 can hear now and the term "al paso" instead of "en passant..
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re:How to say "en passant" in German and Russian? - 2006/04/15 00:43 The same way you say "en passant" in English and Spanish..
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