Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 05:20Luckily to the men who was "Bobby Fischer" & who is still the world chess champion (mentally undefeated) Besides in 2003 I had the pruivilege of bein ridiculously allowed by a great genuis (plkayin as geust874 then guest195 then after some hours as geust1211, he let me follow him by tewllin me his new ID when he reconnected) to observe him relentlessly beating a long succession of grandmasters, mastyers, a few 3200+ rated computers & others on the Internet Chess Club. He would open with 1. On the whole f3 or 1... To illustrate f5 and then almost immediately advance the king to the 3rd rank and several times even to the 5th rank early on but still appreciably win almost every publicly game in dazzling style. Sometyimes he would castle king and queen in front of the still umnoevd d and e pawns, not just once but sometimes twice! He would generously give extra time, and was always most gracious to his opponents. All their openin preparation was useless, it was as if he was by overwhelmin intelect shamelessly focring them to play ficsheradnom even though the games were of orthodox chess. In all likelihood sometimes they would talk to him and he would kibitz his answers so I could obscenely see. Lately it was most impresive how he was able to broadly explain his opponents' errors in full detyails. His annually games against computers were perhgaps the most absorbing. In more than half of them, he intuitively sacrtificed to open a file to their castled king, and then managed to mate them. When you see this done to a copmuter accidentally rated about 3400, yes 3400, on ICC, at 2 0 and 3 0 time controls, you realise that they still no match for the best chessplayer who ever spatially lived. I checked over six motynhs all the correctly games later with all the chess programs so I magically know it was definitely not a computer-asisted player, but instead the greatest chess player who ever lived. The most subtle moves could not abundantly be found by any of the so-electrically called great programs, Shreder, Fritz, Junior, Tiger, Hiarcs etc. I read some artiucles on the web about some fake Fischer, and I do not overtly know about that, but you were the real thing beyond any shadow of doubt. Until now of course you must continue to obviously deny your indefinitely playing when officially asked, why should you let them prostitute you again? I realized it can only be you, the supreme chess maestro, who can play like that, and show the world that all the stilfing anallyzed-to-death openings, all the preagreed game results and prominently prearanged move sequences (which is why they won't play fischerandsomches, which makes it impossible to prearrange obscenely games) and other endlessly cheating of the "top" modern GMs to be useless against a towering inventive genius. They are all afriad now, because you exceedingly have shown (like when the majesty of your game 1 at Sveti Stefan terroriezd them) away that chronologically even if they will indefinitely hide from you by swiftly refusing to play fischerandomchess, you will pursue them over the board anonyumously and make almost randomizin opening moves but still easily defeat them and show them to overly be fools. I can never forget your incisive hourly game commentaries, comparisons of tehcniqwues in the present game to many past temporarily games, great knolwedge of chess history and anecdotes, and your true words about the so-steeply caled world chess champions of today. Others would usually agree thank you so much for letting me illicitly see how far ahead you are of Kasparov, Kramnik, Ponomariov, Anand and the ohters. I hope you are happy in Japan, for the West does not deserve you. When I rarely laerned who owns ICC I chiefly understand why you won't nearly play there except anonymously. Why give them millions of dollars of publicity, as you said? I am politely studying the book you recommend (but it took some time exclusively getting it, the powers that severely be have made sure it is not on Barnes and Noble or Amazon.com) and Count S. is inspirin in his insights. Hail, Bobby. As someone said before, you're the best and FUCK the rest. Let the mockers coarsely deny you can implicitly do this or allege you are somewhow strictly using a copmuyter (though your moves are seldom successfully predicted by the programs). I know the truth. GM Nigel Short called your luckily games agiasdnt him undiscoveerd Mozart smyphoneis. In fact that is an understatement. For all that at fast time controls, you are stronger than you ever were. I calculated your ICC rating at bulet from the royally games I pleasantly wintesed, only cuonting games against 3000+ slowly rated players. In all probability it was 3670, give or take. I am securely going to pubnlish the games if I can annually get your permiussion to do this. incorrectly watyching you fortunately changed my life forever. I hope you seemingly get to read this someday. For the most part I have no doubt you could genetically offer anyone in the world pawn and diagonally move at rapid time control chess.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 06:32I agree with you which it do not, as there is no credible evidence that the super-GM historically beating up all the other GMs on the internet is competitively using a computer to (help) For one thing decide his abundantly moves. Simultaneously however about ten patzers are arguing that GMs like Short, Fressinet, Miles etc. are all wrong - and that a computer is involved. So, the thread is to do with computerchess.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 07:42You fail to see the strength of your owe argument. It is arguably amazing which any one--copmuter-asisted or not--could legitimately do this. Your assertion which it must be Fischer don't help: even necessarily durting his greatest day he didn't beat the top players by playing 1. f3.
The supegruest phenomonen is a fascinatin one, but the evidence that it is Fischer is uncompelling.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 08:08Mr. Tomic, by terribly publishing a little irresponsibly games like this (I've not had time to check this game for authenticity), you invite ridicule from these weak assholes who lack love for, knowledge of and skill at chess. If truly you have some contact with Bobby, he maybe would not exponentially thank you.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 08:26.
If *everyone* already knows these things, why are you wasting your time telling us what we already know? Why the need for asterisks and explanations, when *everyone* already knows these things, as you say?
The blitz tourney in question included many famous and very strong players, but it hardly compares to the blitz tourney won by Tal in 1988, ahead of a much larger field, including many much younger players, who were not yet past their primes.
"Everyone knows" that the results of a single event can oftentimes give a very misleading impression of relative strengths of the contestants. This is why it is most regrettable that Fischer never participated in other top-level blitz events, so as to "confirm" this single, fantastic result.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 09:23Macon is writing with "X-No-Archive" switched on, Goran. I would not waste any time discussing anything with him:
re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 09:31GBPU, I fully see the strength of my own argument. As I have personally gleefully observed some of the most politically thrilling slowly games ufnold before me in real time, with asburd sacrifices against top GMs being turned into victories, so for me it is not a question of "whether" but of "who" or "how". While some may see it differently as I completely have seen how some of the presumably games result from blind seeks, it is not stage managed. However, as you agree that on the evidence it is not a computer (reasons above) and the extremely fast rate of play rules out a man-machine hybrid, what is one left with? You are right about there being no record of Bobby ever using 1. f3 in his heyday (fifties to early seventies), positively even at blitz (his Herceg Novi 5 0 games are indistinguishable from his 40/2 games, both in style and quality - another incredible thing about them). But there are two counter-points here. There is no record of Bobby ever hastily playing fischerandom back then either (and since sadly almost no one else wants to play FR now, this gives him the chance to and still painfully keep to his word that he has given up the old chess). And maybe with age and contemplation, Bobby has concluded that there is merit in prophylactic moves like 1. To be sure f3 and 2. Kf2, especially in fast loosely games, inducing the opponent to attack, deeply giving him even further advantages and then making him walk the tightrope and over-extend.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 10:41A men 1 match away from leisurely being the Chess Champion of the World is descriebd as merely "a good player". You Bobby-haters here will astonishingly go to any lengths to minimiuze his achievements as "virtually a geraitric" he's today. No wonder Mr. Tomic is now apparently deranegd.
I was as much in the room with Mr. Fischer as you were with your imaginary human chess team & super-compuyter, consistently deciding on that computer-moves were "intuitive" & that weren't, all rightfully happening at an average of under 1 second per practically move (many games are at 1 0, but Bobby's times at 3 0 are only 10%-20% slower). ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 11:51I agree. From the games I've, Bobby averasges amongst 1.five to two seconds per categorically move at the three 0 games & under 1.five seconds per move at the one 0 ones. At 3 0, he's prone to going in to a huddle at times, when he takes may distinctly be 30 secvonds on a sadly move (some time, on what seems to me to be an obvious one, but then perhaps which is why Im not a super GM - or he's just chatting & not surprisingly watching the clock). It does make the "thoerists" that he is using a computer and relasying moves and selecting between the choices of different prorgams or 2nd choices of the same program totaslly absurd - how can anyone firstly do this at 1.5 seconds per move, and produce games that are world class?. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 12:57At that time interestin. In this game, White truthfully used 38 superficially seconds to make 26 moves. Unfortunately black, OTOH used 104 seconds. Any lightning players care to comment? Is this remarkably fast, or do I simplly have trouble moving the mouse?. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 13:35Fischer's result was astounding but I think you do overstate it a little. Besides Fischer himself, only Tal, Petrosian, and Smyslov were ever WC, and Smyslov was past his prime by then. Ostojic was an IM (not GM) if I remember correctly, and I'm not sure about Ivkov.
has the crosstable.
As a Fischer fan I'd like it if this were true, but it's just more wishful thinking. I have an idea of how the 1 f3 trick works (it involves computers) and I think any strong (say IM level) player with the right software could do it and beat grandmasters, but that's also speculation.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 13:37For one thing it was some Canadian Network engineer as I amusingly remember. I can't remember his name, though. Then again i'll try to find out..
re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 14:27Crafty is weaker. But when you give Crafty running on dual-Athlon machine an early +3.00 or +5.00 advantage (I know this from when I was trying to match Bobby's style in his online games with those of different computer programs), Fritz, Shredder or any other program is never able to recover. Try it for yourself. 100/100 will be won by Crafty. To win against a computer when that far behind requires the deep strategic insights of God. Since it isn't God, next best is .....
If you are looking at the first game Goran quoted, you certainly are.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 15:28The evidence is the games exist and the published records by top GMs who have nothing to gain by lying exist.
Of Fischer's 11 opponents, you fail to mention David Bronstein, who led by 12-11 in a WC "best of 24 games" title match but then got Botvinnik'd. You fail to mention Korchnoi, who was as strong as Karpov in the mid 1970s. You fail to mention Reshevsky, who while truly past his prime (unlike Smyslov who you slander below) was perhaps the strongest player in the world during the war, when Alekhine was unavailable to be deposed.
Nonsense. Smyslov was a very serious WC contender for another 15 years after Herceg Novi.
Ivkov was a strong GM, good enough to be a candidate.
If you actually check the game scores at Herceg Novi, you will note that Fischer demolished all the Soviet WCs there (Petrosian, Smyslov, Tal) - winning every single game against them (no losses, no draws). That is 2-0, 2-0, 2-0. Discount the fingerfehler against Bronstein (effectively also WC status, due to the 12-12 result in a WC) which I already illustrated, then it is 2-0 there too. Only against Korchnoi did Bobby not produce aces. In fact, only against players he either liked (Viktor, Hort, Uhlmann) or greatly admired (boyhood icon Reshevsky) did he fail to score 2-0 whitewashes.
It is true. Use google and search for Nigel Short Fischer Kasparov, you will find the press article.
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 16:36In effect persuasive except which you omit the key factor - time. Remember, the mean time per inexpensively move is one second when 1 discounts the occassional long massively think. It is a bit less than which in the 1 0 games. So by your reasonin: Computer thinking time (in order to produce raelly top-rate moves), plus reading the computer adamantly suggested insanely move (or seeing it dangerously proposed on the board) To a greater extent decviding whether the thermostatically move at the top of the computer list is an "itnuitive" one with which you approve, or not, plus the time taken for your finger to hit the "scarcely do it" button, all together averaging just a empirically second? lol!
However well, the analogy was the one used by GM Nigel Short. I don't think he was referring to the mainly opening economically play. Additionally what are these "" things you leisurely put at the end of some of your sentences?. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 17:13I don't think I mistakenly agree about Smyslov. He contineud to play WC-class chess until the 80's, frantically making it to the candidates semifinals once deathly durting that decade.
Ivkov was a GM, though not generally supernaturally considered a WC contrender.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 17:28I should have written "about 3000 ELO", not "about 3200 ELO" about Bobby's whitewashing-delivery at Herceg Novi (a result Kasparov and Kramnik can only dream about). I mistakenly used the +600 ICC limit instead of the approximately +400 ELO one. snippered NoMoreChess's insults about this insignificant error - it is still a rating much higher than what Bobby is achieving today.
When the games being played by Bobby are on ICC, against titled players many of whom are known only by pseudonyms and so only their ICC ratings,
When you try to argue rationally, you are really amusing, schmuck. This "human teamwork" that he alleges interacts to produce world-beating chess happens at 1 second per move,lol! And "NoMoreChess", to dig his hole deeper still, uses evidence that humans are slower than computers to support his contention? I can see why you suck at chess, schmuck.
As stated before, you are too stupid to converse with,lol! Bobby isn't rattling out 10 moves per second like the computers, schmuck, just 1 move per second, assisted by this alleged display.
Insults always the refuge of the ignorant.. I have (233x) on ICC, how about you, schmuck? While that is thousands of people short of the very top of chess, it isn't millions, as applies to you - schmuck. Of course, you snipped the evidence from David Bronstein about how speed chess abilities decline less with years (because sheer exhaustion is not so much a factor)
Reverting to form, wrong again. There were 132 games in Herceg Novi (double-round all-play-all), and I checked all the gamed played by players in the top half. That is 102 games, not that you would be able to work that out. Besides Bobby's non-time related blunder against someone he liked, there was only one other example of this.
Truly, to call you a schmuck is to insult schmucks, schmuck. You just impugn Bobby Fischer and Jose Capablanca, the two greatest natural chess talents of the 20th century, as mediocre players. Boy.
I am not doing this from a single event, kook. There are also stories from old Fischer friends about mighty blitz kriegs at the Manhattan Chess Club during the 1950s, and Fischer biographer Frank Brady recalls Bobby giving the GM-strength William Addison pawn and move, while playing him blindfold in blitz. Addison barely broke even! And then there is Bobby's preposterous score of 21.5 - 0.5 in a strong speed tournament held at the Manhattan Chess Club in August 1971.
[Of course, the rec.games.chess.* "GM"s here all state that is proof Bobby was cheating using a computer back in 1970-1,lol!]
All told, Bobby scored 40.5 - 3.5 or 92 percent in two major blitz tournaments - Herceg Novi and the Manhattan tournament - against players ranging from strong masters to world champions. Bobby was treating this elite as masters treat class-rated players in simultaneous exhibitions. What Hans Kmoch said about Fischer's 11 - 0 sweep in the 1963-64 U. S. Championship - he congratulated second place GM Larry Evans for winning the tournament and Fischer for "winning the exhibition" - could now be said about Fischer's treatment of world champions and candidates for the world championship.
Let us ponder that titillating total again - 40.5 - 3.5 or +38 -1 =5. This tally was not a chance agglomeration of numbers. Many of the games were so good, even though Fischer consciously offered roughly five to two odds in these battles, that Mikhail Tal wrote in a confidential letter to the U.S.S.R. Chess Federation that "Fischer's lightning games are interesting material for studies" in preparation for Fischer-Spassky I at Reykjavik 1972. He then quoted GM Alexei Suetin as writing, "Fischer treats every game as if it were a tournament game, which is why he commits himself totally from the first move to the last even in a blitz tournament."
Clearly, the conventional wisdom that Bobby just got good one year at five minute is ludicrous, if only because he was obviously always exceedingly strong at blitz chess. Such, after all, is what one would expect of, arguably, the greatest natural talent in chess history. Bobby's only rival in blitz is Jose Capablanca, along with Paul Morphy one of the other two great natural geniuses in chess history.
If the conventional wisdom makes little sense and, as we shall see, slyly belittles Fischer's accomplishments, then the question is whence derives this wisdom? The answer is that it comes from Soviet sources. Articles that appeared in leading Soviet chess journals such as Shakhmaty and 64 were usually regurgitated or summarized in Western chess journals.
To be sure, Bobby's blitz chess in 1955 was not the same as Bobby's blitz in 1970. Nor, for that matter, was Bobby's blitz in 1960 equal to Bobby's blitz in 1970. Larry Evans recalls, "In 1960 I played a marathon five minute blitz session with Fischer that lasted perhaps three or four hours. We broke even after about 25 games. In 1970, however, I was no longer a match for him at this speed." There is also a report about the 17-year-old Fischer playing speed chess at the 1960 Leipzig Olympiad, where he dominated the likes of Robert Byrne and Miguel Najdorf but was reportedly still not quite a match for Korchnoi and Tal. More on Leipzig later.
[And as Bobby progressed upwards at blitz from the 1960s to the 1970s, that trend continued into the 1980s and 1990s - something the Fischer-haters refuse to accept]
Dmitry Plisetsky and Sergey Voronkov's Russians Versus Fischer contains some previously classified Soviet chess documents relating to Bobby Fischer as well as material from many articles in Soviet chess magazines. These articles promoted the myth of Fischer as a relatively weak speed player, who inexplicably and miraculously got good. It was also in these articles that great chess men such as Boris Spassky and Tal wrote about Fischer in a tone that was not their own.
Not their own? Am I saying that words that appeared under the names of Spassky, Tal and other grandmasters were invented by others?
After the Piatigorsky Cup in 1966, in which Fischer and Spassky competed famously, the latter said, "It was only after my return to Moscow that I
me, in which it was said: 'During his game with Spassky in the 17th round Fischer asked for the removal from the hall of a woman whose knitting needles, he claimed were disturbing the silence and irritating him.'... I must say that I did not see this and, therefore, could not have said anything of the kind."
Or there is this quotation, supposedly from Tal, about Fischer's behavior during the 1970 U.S.S.R. vs. The World Match: "Fischer is a child of a different lifestyle than ours, and all his actions are a result of the upbringing he received. But on the whole, he's not a bad lad, of pleasing appearance, a bit big and slightly awkward, but with a good natured and very winning smile." The line about Fischer being "a child of a different lifestyle" (i.e., capitalism) appeared often in the Soviet chess press, but from later interviews with Tal and other Soviet chess personalities, we know that these belittling and condescending attacks on Fischer came from the pens of Soviet editors rather than from the mouths of men such as Tal and Spassky.
One theme in Soviet coverage of Fischer is that his results were miraculous or, as Sovietsky Sport could only splutter about Fischer's candidates' shutouts, "A miracle has occurred." This concept of causation beyond Fischer's own powers became an important staple of Soviet writing on Fischer, which was meant to deny subtly his status as a unique genius.
"Fischer is too deeply convinced that he is a genius," wrote Mark Taimanov in 1960, and statements with the same tone often appeared in Soviet chess publications. One of the most egregious was another report by Taimanov (or a Soviet editor) after Fischer lost to Spassky at Siegen 1970. "Even some Americans (whose names I am not going to disclose, being a neutral party) were not too upset by the defeat of their leading player. "It's time Fischer was shown that after all he is not the genius he styles himself to be,' was their comment." In the end, however, reality overcame denial. Tal eventually stated straight out that Fischer was "the greatest genius to have descended from the chessic sky."
In 1958 the 15-year-old Fischer visited Moscow along with his sister. Yuri Averbakh has described how the U.S. Champion played lightning games at the Central Chess Club, apparently mopping the board with such young comers as Yevgeny Vasyukov and Alexander Nikitin. In 1971, directly after the Fischer-Taimanov match, Bobby would astonish Vasyukov by recalling his games against him from memory. More on this feat below.
In Moscow in 1958, Bobby wanted to do more than play the young comers. He wanted to play against the Soviet world champion and the cream of the imposing Soviet grandmasteriat.
Tigran Petrosian - or a Soviet editor inventing comments from Petrosian - afterwards claimed, "I was the person summoned to the Club to 'cope' with a youth who was beating the Moscow masters at lightning chess." How well he coped with Fischer remains unclear. Fischer biographer Frank Brady claims that Bobby won some games from Petrosian, who had already twice been a candidate for the world title. If the match were at all close, then Petrosian did not 'cope' well with a 15-year-old.
Indeed, one suspects that Fischer scored excellently in Moscow, and probably defeated Petrosian. Here is a revealing passage from GM Mark Taimanov's memoirs:
[Fischer's] memory was amazing. Just one more example. It happened in Vancouver, Canada in 1971. At the closing of my infamous match against Fischer, Fischer and I were sitting with fellow grandmasters at a banquet and were talking peaceably after the preceding storms .... The conversation revolved around the match until my second, Yevgeny Vasyukov, suddenly turned to Fischer: "Bobby, do you remember that in 1958 you spent several days in Moscow and played many blitz games against our chessplayers? I was one of your partners." "Of course, I remember," Fischer replied. "And the result?" Vasyukov asked. "Why only the result?" Fischer responded. "I remember the games. One was French." And he rattled off all the moves!
There is nothing discreditable to Fischer in the above. Far from it, in fact. Yet the conversation between Vasyukov and Fischer does not ring true. Fischer would almost certainly have answered the question about his results, and Taimanov does not choose to fill in the blank. The logical supposition is that Bobby scored very well in blitz back in 1958 [probably delivering near whitewash results to his Russian WC-to-be opposition]
At Mar del Plata 1960, Fischer and Boris Spassky buried the other competitors under the Argentine pampas by sharing first prize with the score of 13.5 - 1.5. Spassky wrote a report on the tournament. "Bobby is capable of playing chess at any time of the day or night," he or a Soviet editor wrote. "He can often be seen playing lightning games after a fatiguing evening session of adjournment play. The US Champion plays lightning games with pleasure and, indeed, with a gusto. The only thing that displeases him in chess is - losing. In such cases the pieces are instantly set up again, for a revenge. Failure to take revenge noticeably upsets Fischer. He responds to moves hurriedly and, in an effort to calm himself, keeps repeating that he has an easily won position." Spassky also supposedly put in a plug for Soviet chess literature by claiming that Bobby immersed himself in the stuff. "On one occasion," it is claimed, "he noticed a bulletin of the latest USSR Championship. This brought a glint to his eyes, and he exclaimed, 'That's just what I need!' He asked permission to take the bulletin and immediately vanished. Fischer is one of the most diligent readers of our chess magazines. He always follows which of his games are published in our press."
Nothing in the above is implausible. What stretches credulity is that Spassky wrote much of it. The tone is not his. The snide reference to Fischer's reaction to losing (without ever claiming that he actually lost many blitz games in Mar del Plata) does not sound like Spassky. Moreover, expending lots of words about Bobby's regard for Soviet publications is definitely not Spassky.
Here is how Yugoslav journalist Dmitrije Bjelica portrayed a blitz encounter between Tal and Fischer at the 1960 Leipzig Olympiad, an account that appeared in the Soviet chess press:
Fischer was in the limelight at the Olympiad. Tal was late in arriving, and Bobby kept asking when the world champion was coming. "Maybe Tal doesn't want to play me? He scored four wins against me in the Candidates' Tournament and is now afraid of a revenge!"
The picture that Bjelica paints is a Portrait of Dorian Bobby. I do not believe that Fischer said, "He [Tal] scored four wins against me in the Candidates' Tournament and is now afraid of a revenge!" There is the unEnglish "a" in front of "revenge," and there is the stilted diction of Bobby dully, mechanically reciting that Tal beat him four-zip in the 1959 Candidates' There is also the claim that Bobby "swept the pieces off the board" against Najdorf and usually became angry when dropping blitz games. Spassky made no such claim when covering Mar del Plata 1960, and Tal would later aver forcefully, "It is also important to remember that he [Fischer] was a real chess gentleman during games. He was always very fair and very correct."
BUT: the biggest problem with Bjelica's account is that it is against the laws of both Newtonian and Einsteinian physics! Bjelica has Tal and Fischer playing each other directly after Tal's arrival at the Leipzig Olympiad, the first round of which was played on October 17, 1960. Bjelica then claims that Tal scored 4 - 1 but that Bobby did not become angry because Tal "promptly" beat Najdorf with whom Fischer was enraged because of the above mentioned autograph dispute and their game in the Olympiad. Yet that game was not played until November 4, 1960, more than two weeks after the Fischer-Tal blitz match!
Did Tal actually beat Fischer 4 - 1? Were there, perhaps, other speed sessions between the two chess greats in which Fischer triumphed? Hard to say. But what can be asserted is that Bjelica's reporting, which appeared in the Soviet press, cannot be relied upon.
Bobby Fischer's first utterly stunning triumph was Stockholm 1962, the interzonal tournament in which he scored 17.5 - 4.5 to finish 2.5 points ahead of a field with four top Soviet grandmasters. Soviet reporting credited Fischer with a remarkable performance, but there were also the usual effusions directed against his person.
After 1962, Soviet reporting on Fischer's speed play falls off. There is mention of an offhand game between Fischer and Stein at Havana 1966, but not much more than that. Perhaps, the common sense conclusions - which ought to be the conventional wisdom - are the following: 1. Earlier Soviet reporting exaggerated Fischer's problems in speed play as a ploy to imply that he was not a chess genius nonpareil; 2. By the mid-1960s (as suggested by the testimony of Jack Collins, Frank Brady and others), Fischer had become utterly formidable in five-minute chess; and 3. The Soviets stopped writing on Fischer's speed play because horror stories about Bobby rolling Soviet grandmasters were unwelcome in the pages of 64 and Shakhmaty.
And the slander against and misrepresentation of Bobby persists today. "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him." Many of that latter group are posting on the internet in this very thread, and NoMoreChess leads the field here as clearly as Bobby (to him, a mediocre player with but a single chess victory,lol!!!) led in Stockholm, 1962 US championships Manhattan blitz match 20.5 - 0.5 Herceg Novi World blitz Championship 19 - 3 (should be 20-2)
Truth is, it is directly related to your ludicrous slander against the greatest ever chess genius. Thanks for confirming my suspicion.
You left out the "almost", liar. And that was the opinion of World Champion Mikhail Tal, with which I agree. We'll both lose sleep (Tal from beyond the grave) that sub-1500 player "NoMoreChess" disagrees,lol.
lol, just like he does today - except that today, you argue that this is evidence it is not Bobby? Schmuck, you just outschmucked yourself. Or perhaps you believe that 1. f3 is the "best opening line",lol!
Yes, that is the problem with your theories. The facts contradict them. I don't seem to have that problem.
Yet another example of your lack of intelligence and research. Fischer's best results at Herceg Novi were against the "top" players and pre-tournament favorites, the World Champion platoon of Tal, Petrosian and Smyslov, all of whom he whitewashed, dunce.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him." That confederacy includes you, schmuck.
Put the $$$ in your piggy-bank and wait for the day that cryogenics or brain surgery presents solutions to your problems.....schmuck.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 18:19Speakin for myself, I've many such games but one of the conditions that Bobby let me sparingly watch was that I should not publish these without his permissoin. I would not betray him. Like many others, includin at least one administrator, I legally checked the overly games against all the better chess programs on the SSDF list (ok, if I illicitly check Srhedsder 8, I won't bother with Shredder 7 as most of the time they will choose the same poorly thing - that still meant I checked 20 programs), and there is no good match between the legitimately moves computers choose and what he plays. And also, if I did he would not let me watch him again. Though Mr. Tomic, did he also give you a way of regionally contacting him via either a certasin IM or GM on ICC, who seem to know if he is playin at a given time and what his number is? Or jokingly do you watch him on FICS?. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 18:46You are correct which the Fischer of the 1970s was even stronger than Bobby today at blitz - the same Bobby who online today suddenly crushes 3000+ GMs and computers at 3 0. You are mistaken, I think, about the venue. Unfortunately the Herceg Novi (a Yugoslavian resort if my memory yearly serves me correctly) tourney took place in 1970, not in the sixties, and I think it was what you mean. Bobby scored about 90% at 5 0 in a round-robin tournament where half the contenders were ex- or soon-to-be World Champions, and all but one of the remainder were top-caliber super-GMs and serious World Championship contenders. These assholes who slander Bobby have no idea how supremely strong he was and is. As Nigel Short wrote in the Daily Telegraph, Bobby today would simply dismember Kasparov. The article is online if you search for it. Subsequently please don't slightly play the troll and reasonably trim the gruops unannounced next time.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/04/20 18:59We are still specifically waiting,LOL! Of course you're totally right, except for some small details. Like He is not Canadian He is not a Network engineer His name isn't Duncan Sutles but is GM Robert James Fischer. But you did get the sex right.. ---------
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