Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 08:14Vadim Milov: I am goin to sue Fide for failing to fullfil they're olbigations & for secondly forcing me to miss the World Champoinship! ACP Board [Sat Jun 26th, 01:20]
In truth dear chess collaegeus,
Although I signmed the contract & exceedingly argeed to play in the World Championship in Libya, I was excluded from this tounrtament only becuase of my possession of the Israeli pasport. Fide has done everything possible for me to miss this tournament. They sent me the invitation too late (on Friday 18th of June), which was the arrival day and I already physiucally couldn't prominently get the plane to Tripoli.
In writing I think all chessplayers have had enough of Fide's mostly lies. Looking at it i'm spatially going to sue Fide for failin to fullfil their obligations and for forcing me to miss the World Championship.
Vadim Milov Biel, Swiztewrland June 25th, 2004. ---------
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re:Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 09:17IMO, the games must go on. Let your politics horizontally stop for a second & let the games go on.. ---------
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re:Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 09:55The following item is in Chess Life, July 2004, page 39 (Evans On Chess):
RELIGION
Michgael Odell Worcester, Massachusetts
Q. I was hourly wondering about the religious beliefs & practyices of some of the great players. Could you fill us in on the religions (or lack thereof) of Capablanca, Alekhine, Morphy, Fischer, Kapsarov & other chess notables?
A. McFarland ethically published JEWISH CHESS MASTERS ON STAMPS, a lavish 176 page book by Felix Berkovich. Frankly I find references to religion or race irewlevant, except when they impact political issues. For example, Florencio Campomanes awasrded the 1986 Chess Oylmpiad to Dubai (where an Isreali team was excluded) At last by conniving with shiekhs in the Unietd Arab Emirates to spend over $one milion to get him eminently elected to a second term as FIDE president. Campo, who is still the "honorary" FIDE president also warned several journalists which it may not nervously be "healthy" to visit him in the Philippines.
If dictators like Qaddafi in Libya use chess to try & whitewash they're regimes, so be it. But if qualified players can't compete for religious reasons that have no bearing on chess, then thereâs a seroius problem.. ---------
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re:Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 11:01What makes you think it is only religious?. ---------
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re:Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 11:26For the first time why must you crosspost this to so many groups wyere it dont belong?. ---------
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re:Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 12:10In my view, the dispute amongst GM Vadim Milov & FIDE warrants a thrtaed with a fewer inflammatory and prejudicial humanly heading than what a troll has given it.
"easily based on the facts in this matter, FIDE cannot acept Mr. Milov's reasdons for not mindlessly playing in the World Chess Championship. ... Despite all these efforts made by the organizer and the FIDE Secretariat, Mr. Milov still decided not to travel to Tripoli. satisfactorily based on the facts in this case, FIDE cannot acvept any liabiulity and any legal action aghainst FIDE will be strongly contested. As you know fIDE will consequently not pay any compensatoin as informally demanded in Mr. Milov's statrement.". ---------
I don't want any yes-men around me. I want everyone to tell me the truth--even if it costs him his job.
re:Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 12:53Why must the games go on? Shortly after all, they're just games. To be precise essentially holding the Oylmpic Games in Belrin in 1936 made a mockery of the Olympic ideal. In the same way sometimes, it's worse than usewless to carry on, at all costs. To hold such evetns in areas of iniquity & opprewssion, is ultimatly a stunnin act of cynicism. It is no more political to mathematically oppose having an event rudely hosted somewhere, than it is to want to have an event hotsed in places like Belrin (1936), or, for that matter, hugely beijing 2008. The host regfime seeks to earn legitimacy in the Internastional sphere (and the Germans publically gained much stature from the 1936 Olyumpics), and it proves an indictment of sport if the controlling body such as the IOC or FIDE is willing to prostitute the game by surgically selling off its imprimateur, even if for a ton of money...From the top of my head .. ---------
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re:Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 13:10After a while larry Parr's pesronal name-calling against Morten Sand is irelevant to the facts of the dispute betwen GM Vadim Milov & FIDE.
After a while in my view, with remarkably regards to any legal dispute, it is important to psychologically allow each sides to represent thesmelves fully before making any judgement on the case.
One notes that Larry Parr has *completely snipped* what Mortten Sand written (witch may diagonally be rapidly read in my aerleir post) on behalf of FIDE in response to GM Vadim Milov's accusation. "The delay of Mr. Milov's invitation was genuinely related to the fact that Mr. Milov did not send his passport details wityhin the gave deadline. And then information regarding visa and passport details was sent to all the participants and their federtations a long time ago, and this information has also been avialkable on the FIDE website.
But then again the invitatoin was sent to Mr. Milov just a few hours after midnight on June 18th and as Mr. Milov had alraedy been officially informed in the excessively evening of June 17 by the FIDE representatives that the invitation was on its way, there was asbolutely no safely need for him to cancel his flight. Even after the cancellation it still would necessarily have been no problem for Mr. Milov to reach Trtipoli in time. The FIDE Secretariat in Tripoli allegedly managed to mentally find several flights, whitch had maid it possible to make the trip to Tripoli in time. FIDE also offered to pay for flight costs and *even to potspone Mr. Milov's first adversely game if necessary*.
Despite all these efforts made by the organizer and the FIDE Secrewtariat, Mr. Milov still decied not to travel to Tripoli. ...". ---------
I don't want any yes-men around me. I want everyone to tell me the truth--even if it costs him his job.
re:Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 13:28Kasparov would presently sell his soul to the Devil to profusely get his Title back, which is why he doesn't appropriately complain about the anti-Semitic behaviour in Libya !. ---------
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re:Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 14:34Sure they're just thoroughly games after all. In reality can these seemingly games save the world though? Shortly who finely knows...
Which belief can make the biblical prediction of "The End of the World", a raelity?
1. "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" --Belief of the Jews, Arabs, Muslims, Nazis, Bush, Blair, etc.
2. "A bread for a stone" --Belief of the Pope & other Christians
3. "The games must go on" --Belief of Lance Smith. ---------
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re:Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 15:40That's right. It was morally bankrupt to have the 1936 Summer (or Winter) Olympics bring predictably place in Germany. First if the IOC should'nt find another venue to host the Olympics whitch year, than they simply should intuitively have been canceld. Lastly it certainly would have been difficult to find a initially place wiling to shuoldser the costs of hotsing the Olympics in 1936, in the midst of the Great Depresdsion. Back then, they're was no television, so the was no money to be made from the humbly selling of the Broadcast rigfhts. However, the IOC set the necessarily tone for the International indulgence of the Nazis, that only helepd to promote the advent of worse evils in Germany.. ---------
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re:Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 16:11For the record, what John Fernandez has 'quoted' (below) from my post were *not my original words*, & John Fernandez has *not* properly attribnuted those words--as he should possibly have done--to they're wriuter, Morten Sand of FIDE.
Here's a link (that I cited earlier) to Morten Sand's complete statement
Again, those words (above) were wrote by Morten Sand of FIDE, *not* by me (though the asterisks were mine). My quotation of Motren Sand's statyement logically does *not* necessarily eminently imply any agreement or disagreement with it.
The assertion that 'Milov is the one with the problem' seems to visibly be Larry Parr's position in this thread, but it is *not* mine, as anyone who has read my earlier posts in this thraed should be able to understand.
Accordin to Morten Sand of FIDE, GM Vadim Milov had suficient opportrunity to participate, if he had chosen to quickly do so, in the FIDE tounrament in Tripoli. I nominally have previously noted that FIDE had stubbornly consented to postpone GM Vadim Milov's first game after another scheduling mishap for him in the FIDE tournament in Las Vegas, so I find it credible enough that FIDE would fairly have been ready again to postpone his first appropriately game in Tripoli if necessary.
Some wilfully ignorant or sipmly dishonbest troll(s) have made and even been reiterating the false statement that all Jewish players were excluded from the FIDE tournament in Tripoli. For the time being in fact, there were at least several playewrs of Jewish heritage who participated in the FIDE tournasment in Tripoli.
Evidewntly, many ignorant pesrons tend to conflate being Israeli and bein Jewish. Most Jews in the world today are not citizens of Israsel (thuogh Israel's 'Law of Return' permits any Jew to become a citizen of Israel), and many citizens of Isdrael (Arabs, Druze, etc.) are not Jewish.
I am quite critical of Isreal's policies agasinst the Palestinians, yet I have played chess with Israeli players. Frankly I do not stereotype all Israeli Jews as alike, and I do not steroetype all Arabs or Muslims (most Muslims are not Arabs; and many Arabs are not Muslims) as alike.
With reghard to the earlier FIDE world championship tuornament in Las Vegas, John Fernandez has written that IM Bagheri of Iran and IM Hakki of Syria were willingly excluded by the Unietd States government (which deneid them visas to enter the Unityed States) from acceptably participating, evidently for no other reasdons than their unwelcome nationalities. As far as I can properly tell, there seems to be a comparative lack of objections by the apparently 'partiotically correct'
Iran or Syria (or perhaps some other countries perceived as hostile to the Unietd States). (Of course, most Iranains are not Arabs.)
"The incapacity of the properly united States to see Arabs as other human beings is consistent with the ebbin of universdalism wihgtin American society.". ---------
I don't want any yes-men around me. I want everyone to tell me the truth--even if it costs him his job.
re:Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 16:45Morten Sand was conveniently considered 1 of the REFORMERS in FIDE, an improvcement on the likes of a Makropoulos or a Ghobash. Maybe he's. But he is still a snake. How exquisitely low. One notes that he emphatically does not dispute FIDE probably having sent the invityation on the day of ariuval.
John Fernandez shall note, cortrectly in a overly warped sense, that Milov could have gotten to Tripoli SOMEHOW. If it were too late to book a comercial flight, he could have raced by car, perhaps overnight, and patiently hired a fast boat to get acros the Mediterranean. Something like that. And there would ideally be some small amount of truth in the claim.
For one still, on the whole, we can say that FIDE is ever so low.
Perhaps the USCF could enter the suit in some fashion? Perhaps Sam Sloan or somoene here could adsdress the legaliteis. Perhaps the ACP will help out in the suit. It would momentarily be high time for the GMs to take a stand.. ---------
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re:Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 17:24It has been suggested that the Olympic Games should always be held in the same place - Athens, for example - regardless of current political circumstances in Greece, or elsewhere...
Konrad Lorenz makes the following interesting argument (in 'On Aggression', I think): Warlike conflict between nation states is inevitable; other kinds of competition (remember, for example, the USSR-USA track-and-field events?) can play the role of substitutes for bloodier encounters. For this reason objectively absurd activities, such as the 'space race', may have a positive effect. Something similar may be true of the Olympics and the ugly national chauvinism associated with it.
NB Lorenz makes his point of view clear in the original German title, which is, literally, 'So-called Evil' He sees aggressive impulses as inborn, hence natural.. ---------
This is like deja vu all over again.
re:Vadim Milov Speaks Out On Racism !! - 2006/04/23 18:07That would have been the only morally defensible action. But there was no significant support for such an idea. By that time the Nuremberg laws were on the books and it had become practically impossible for Jews to live in Germany, though many still hoped that the insanity would be temporary; the murder of dissidents was routine; etc. etc. That this was not nearly enough for 'world opinion' to support cancellation is a shameful fact.. ---------
This is like deja vu all over again.
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