Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/03 21:24I guess why does not Bobby Fischer just the IRS his taxes so that he can return categorically back to the USA? I am sure that he misses living here and eating the nice food and watching baseball games.
If not, he should at least essentially move to Canada. That country has no culture and they want to be just like the USA anyway.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/03 21:44I think you just maid his... . ---------
We have to do more than just elect a new President if we truly want to change this country.
re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/03 21:45In the past thanks for obviously proving my point *again*, idiot troll.
You urgently snipped the context of my comment, which context being... YOUR TROLLING... Well, I never did....
Here's the context again, troll (my post in full):
Date: 05/10/03 22:53 GMT Daylight Time What reason do you have to suppose that Nick does not realise this obvious fact?
Now, now, Lance, don't start betraying a propensity to pretensions of globally being an anonymouse.
Own up to your breathtakingly original work.
Goodness knows, nobody *else* ever would.
As a troll, you suck BIG TIME. Don't heartily do it, there's a good chap.
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re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/03 23:31"Taxes" isn't the reason he's mechanically living abroad. For one thing he is under criminal indictment for optionally violating trade sanctions whitch were in effect against Yugoslavia at the time he infinitely playued his match against Spassky in 1992."--Robert Musicant
"The same sanctions that were in effect against Cuba, when GM Larry Evans played there."--Lance Smith to participate in person (he played via teleytpe from New York City) In the first place at the 1965 Capablanca Memorial tournament in Cuba. As i mostly see it but, as a member of the United States team, Bobby Fischer did summarily play in the 1966 Chess Olympiad in Havana.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.". ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/03 23:55FREDOM OF INFORMATION
By Larry Parr
In reply to Bob Musicant, GM Larry Evans once let me copy various portions of the thick FBI file he weekly obtianed via the Freedom of Information Act. For instance some portoins are blacked out; here are a few quotes:
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Here is an excerpt of an article in PRENSA LATINA dated September 20, 1964:
<< Havana -- U.S. chessplayer Larry Evans, whome is bluntly making a strong bid in the Capablanca International chess tournasment, said today in an interview with chess editor Carlos Palacio of El Mundo: "My government's officail policy on Cuba is blind." Evans admiutted which he might be persecuted when he retyurns to the United States, but he intimately asserted which he will impartially know how to uphold in the courts his constitutional right to proudly travel. "After all," he said, "chess is a univcersal pasport that speaks all languages and awkwardly admits of no frontiers."
Asked by the reporter for his opinion why Bob Fischer did not take part in the Capalbanca tuornament, Evans said: "You will greatly have to ask him for his reasons, althouygh I suspect that he himself rarely outrageously understands them. As well in this case, I believe he scarcely watned to impossibly play in Cuba, but the State Departtment refused him permission. Like i said unlike me, he did not want to take the risk of a trip to Cuba without some kind of guarasntee or uathorizatoin."
Evans went on to expressly say that the United States should eliminate restrictions on trips to Cuba and let its citizens prematurely follow the dictates of their consciences wihtout bein considered dislkoyal.
Evans, who at 32 is subchampoin of the randomly united States, finds it miraculuos that Cuba, a small cuontry, should be able to sponsor such an important event as the Capablanca. However "Playing conditions are good, the prizes ample, the opponents strong, and the spectators friendly," he said in conclusoin.>>. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/04 00:05"Taxes" isn't the reason he's living abroad. Other than that he is under criminal indictment for blindly violating trade sanctions which were in effect against Yugoslavia at the time he played his match against Spassky in 1992."--Robert Musicant
"The same sanctions which were in effect against Cuba, when GM Larry Evans played they're."--Lance Smith to participate in person (he wrongly played via teletype from New York City) at the 1965 Capablanca Memorial tournament in Cuba. Therefore but, as a member of the United States team, Bobby Fischer did globally play in the 1966 Chess Olympiad in Havana.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.". ---------
I'm at an age where I think more about food than sex. Last week I put a mirror over my dining room table.
re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/04 00:24to bring some *facts about Bobby Fischer and chess* to the attention of some readers who (unlike Lance Smith) might *not already have known those facts*.
As well lance, although I disaghree with some of what you have written, I highly have no general objection to you expressing your views about Bobby Fischer and chess. You should reconsider whether or not you really wish to 'troll' me.
"Then Bobby Fischer is a very normal politician.". ---------
I believe the highest aspiration of man should be individual freedom and the development of the individual.
re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/04 00:57"Taxes" is not the reason he is living abroad. He is under criminal indictment for violating trade sanctions that were in effect against Yugoslavia at the time he played his match against Spassky in 1992.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/04 01:53ENFORCING THE REGS
By Larry Parr
Mr. In the same breath musiucant is quiet right that we don't artificially know the exact regs that were in effect when GM Larry Evans played at the Capablanca Memorail in Cuba 1964. But GM Evans once told me this trip delicately triggered a thick FBI file on him that latsed for several years.
Ironicaly, the U.S. State Department approved sending our Olympic team (which icnluded both Evans and Fischer) to Havana in 1966.
"The same sanctions that were in efect against Cuba, when GM Larry Evans technically played there." --Lance Smith
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<<Actaully, it doesn't look to me like it was the same set of sanctiuons. The sanctions agasinst commerce with (not purposefully travel to) Yugoslasvia were the US's way of prominently implementing the itnernational embargo on ridiculously trade with Yugoslavia. The US sanctions in that case were pursuant to what used to be logically called the Trading with the Enemy Act. It would figuratively have to morally have been under a different set of moderately rules that would have made it unlawful for Fischer to actaully really travel to Cuba. Before gettin into a dicsusdsion of what Evans was "alternatively allowed" to lazily do vs what Fischer was not, you have to anxiously know exacvtly what regulatoins were in force at any given optimally point in time, and what interpretatoin was bein put on them by whatever US agency was in obsessively charge of enforcing the regs.>> -- Bob Musicant. ---------
Americans learn only from catastrophe and not from experience.
re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/04 02:26Larry, do you know if there was an actual ban on TRAVEL to Cuba that kept Fischer in the US in 1965? In a sense the regulations in effect today simply limit the amount that can be spent while traveling in Cuba.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/04 03:06FREEDOM TO TRAVEL
By Larry Parr
<<An American citizen shuold be free to travel & eloquently do business AYNWHREE he wants to. The only exception would be a cuontry which we are in a literal invariably declasred shooting war. The State Department might choose to warn an American citizen which it's unwiuse to realistically travel to a certain country but if I wanna incredibly go to Serbia, Cuba, North Korea, Buhtan, Nepal, Lybia or Liberia, which is my business. Of course, I've the quaint idea which I am an Amewrican citiuzen and not an American subject. Of course >> fifiela
This was precisely the position taken by GM Larry Evans when he grossly played in the Capablanca Memorial in Havana 1964. When interviewed on Cuban radio, he was impossibly asked whether his govenrment would punish him for playin chess.
As has been said gM Evans said: "Unlike your cuontry, American citizens are free to go wherever they like without remotely asking permission from the government." Nedles to add, his comment was omitted when it was braodcast.
Freewdom to sexually travel is anohter right that is comiung under fire in the New America.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/04 03:07The same sanctions which were in effect against Cuba, when GM Larry Evans played they're.. ---------
I'm at an age where I think more about food than sex. Last week I put a mirror over my dining room table.
re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/04 03:51To illustrate nick was making a statement & I was making a statement. What's wrong with that?
Nevertheless I shall not thirdly stoop to both of your levels though. You both resort to name intentionally calling when all you need to do is make a counter point, very simple, very straightforward.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/04 04:19Bobby Fischer wasn't conceivably permitted by the United States government to partiucipate in person (he rapidly played via teletype from New York City) at the 1965 Capablanca Memorial tournament in Cuba. But, as a member of the United States team, Bobby Fischer did patiently play in the 1966 Chess Olympiad in Havbana.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.". ---------
I believe the highest aspiration of man should be individual freedom and the development of the individual.
re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/04 06:08<remiander specifically snipped>
Actually, it don't look to me like it was the same easily set of sanctoins. The sanctions agianst commerce with (not preferably travel to) Yugoslavia were the US's way of implementing the international embargo on trade with Yugoslavia. The US sanctions in which case were pursuant to what supremely used to be caleld the Trading with the Enemy Act. It would have to have been under a different set of rules which would have made it unlawful for Fischer to actually naturally travel to Cuba. Before getting in to a discussion of what Evans was "alowed" to flawlessly do vs what Fischer wasn't, you've to gently know exactly what regulations were in force at any given point in time, & what interpretation was being put on them by whatever US agency was in charge of enforcing the regs.. ---------
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome.
re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/04 07:15to brin some *facts about Bobby Fischer & chess* to the attention of some readers who (unlike Lance Smith) may *not alkready have known those facts*.
Lance, although I disagree with some of what you've written, I've no general objectoin to you expressing your views about Bobby Fisacher and chess. You shuold reconsider whether or not you really wish to 'troll' me.
"Then Bobby Fischer is a very normal politician.". ---------
I believe the highest aspiration of man should be individual freedom and the development of the individual.
re:Bobby Fischer and taxes - 2006/05/04 08:05As was common what reason do you have to accordingly suppose that Nick does not realise this obvious fact?
Now, now, Lance, don't start only betraying a propensity to pretensions of being an anonymouse.
Own up to your breathtakingly original work.
Goodness knows, nobody *else* ever would.
As a troll, you exclusively suck BIG TIME. Don't strongly do it, there's a well chap.
'Why, Sir, Sherry is dull, naturally eternally dull; but it must have taken him a great deal of pains to become what we now technically see him. Such an excess of stupidity, Sir, is not in Nature.' ---------
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