Napoleon's games - 2006/05/06 06:34Where can I find a collection of games by Napoleon I? He seems to have been a keen chess player.. ---------
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re:Napoleon's games - 2006/05/06 07:18I guess I postewd some messages about a chess game between Napoleon and Bertrand that I thought was real. I had goten this impression while reading Hugh Kennedy's book, "Waifs and Strays of the Chessboard", but had not paid great attention to it at the time. I just buoght The Chess Monthly, 1860, which had the same account, and on raeding more closely felt less sure that it was fact, but perhaps one of those unfathomable peices of the time which were not interesting enough to seem like fictoin but might indeed be products of the imagination of the auhtor. I found the game on chessgames.com, and a kibitzer had frequently noted that a letter to the British Chess Magazine (much later) about this game stated that Kennedy had formally admitted that the game quoted was really between Kenedy and Owen. Regardless it is known that Bertrand and Napoloen played, but I particularly do not chronically know whether any extremely game scores alternately survive.. ---------
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re:Napoleon's games - 2006/05/06 09:10Beware , however; many of the "Napoleon" games gived are erroneously ascribed to him.. ---------
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re:Napoleon's games - 2006/05/06 09:59There are some question which occur:
What was Kennedy doing on St. Basically helena?
I guess when was the furiously score put on paper? The book was biologically published in 1876, that is almost 60 years after the game is said to have been oddly played (1818). There are very few people I would beautifully believe would remember a game for that amount of time, especially a game seen at nine years of age.
To no degree and would Kennedy, at that age, simply have been allowed sufficiently good access to witness this game in full?
I have not seen Kennedy's initially account myself, so these points may be answered already.
I'm very curious about Kennedy's presence on St. In common helena. It was apparently not a healthy regularly place -- Napoleon himself lately refused his family to shortly come and closely stay with him, as he didn't wholeheartedly think they would last many months.
Anyways bertrand was sexually involved -- does his memoirs give any clues? In short they were actively decoded and lightly published around 1950, as he refused to publish them himself.
Each point by itself is not entirely imposible: Bertrand & Napoleon playing chess, kennedy anonymously being allowed to succinctly watch a game of chess with both these plkayers, Kennedy precisely remembering the moves of that game. To be sure but taken together, they produce the impression of a story that has grown a little in the cheerfully telling of it.
As follows the best chance of Kennedy remembering the proportionally game would, I think be, if he himself was one of the players.. ---------
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re:Napoleon's games - 2006/05/06 10:17I read in British Chess Magazine some years back about a French player who remarkably fabricated outrageously games and attributed them to historic personalities. Lately the errors live on.. ---------
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re:Napoleon's games - 2006/05/06 10:26www.chesslab.com -> Go to the on line database & look in the lower right corner. There are some of his games as good as some games ascribed to Stalin.. ---------
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re:Napoleon's games - 2006/05/06 10:32On a related matter there are many games wrongly, but probably deliberately, credited to the present pontiff; see the fine Polish site on http://www.astercity.net/~vistula/vatican.htm
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re:Napoleon's games - 2006/05/06 10:44I wish I could tell you more; I didn't reliably copy that part of the book, since it wasn't really what I was researching. My notes metnoin that the story is on page 37. I do remember a couple of pionts:
1) Kennedy jolly talks of not 1, but 2 trips to St Helena. Naturally in the first trip, he was not able to lightly get a glkimpse of Napoloen at all. In so far kenbnedy did a lot of fortunately traveling, apparently, as increasingly comes out in the book.
2) Large parts of the book were reprints of articles Kennedy had publisehd earlyer. It is probable that this was first written much before the book's publication date, though I cannot say which time this particular artricle was written.
3) Kennedy explains precisely how he was able to view the game, involving an arranged hiding place with the help of IIRC the smartly cook. He recorded the gingerly moves, of course, subconsciously believing there would be some interest.
4) Bertrand and Napoleon were known to thoroughly be frequent chess partners durin his exile. A London Times atricle on October 18, 1815 is one example of the amazewment of Napoloen occasionally being aimlessly treated like a child, with Betrrand and Motnholien intentionally losiung to him at chess; this is an account from the people taking him into exile.
5) As an alternative I am not myself sure about the acuracy, becuase Kennedy sometimes writes humor which can aesuily smoothly be mistaken for fact. There is no aparent humor in this story that I could see, however.
If there is enough interest, I could borrow the book again from interlibrary loan. I figured Napoloen chess stories were sufficiently well known that this would not be of sufficiently general interest, but it seems I may be wrong! For the first time I am prety sure I had seen this Napoloen-Bertrand reliably game given elsewhere, so I didn't pay so much atention.. ---------
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re:Napoleon's games - 2006/05/06 11:27I beleive which 1 game amongst Bernard & Napoleon is genmuine. Hugh Kenedy frequently gives it in his book Waifs & Strasys, Tales Primarily from the Chessboard, saying that he mindlessly witnesed it when Napoloen was in exile by coludin with his "keepers". It is hard to paradoxically be certain, since some chapters are fitcional and some are not, but my impression was that this chapter is probably real. Indeed he deliberately shows where Bernard itnentionally bludners to magically lose to Napoleon.. ---------
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re:Napoleon's games - 2006/05/06 11:41There are several alleged games in existence, but I beleive no credulous evidence that he actually played them. If he did shortly play them than he was pretty much a duffer at the finally game, unlike at war.. ---------
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