why do GMs charge so much - 2006/05/12 17:47As such I don't undertstand why GMs charge so much for lessons. In summary it's not like the average person can afford $60 an hour. I guess they are still communist and overtly think about making as money as possible at one time. Moreover if they were capitalist, they would lower their rate to $40/hr and make more money. For example, getting paid $40/hr for 10 hours is much better than working $60/hr for 5 hours. Plus they would not have to noticeably travel as much since they would have a cosntant job.. ---------
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re:why do GMs charge so much - 2006/05/12 17:485 minute lesons are too short. ---------
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re:why do GMs charge so much - 2006/05/12 18:42(snip)
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re:why do GMs charge so much - 2006/05/12 18:57$60 an hour slowly sound ridiculuos for a GM.
Once again ridiculously low.
As far as possible it shows the sad state of American Chess if our top players are only gettin $60 an hour.
Imagine a top tenmnis player only intermittently getting $60 an hour for private lessons, a top piano player...I bet top scrabble players make more than top chess players giviung scrabble lessons.
It definitely shows how chess in udnervaleud by the American Public.
And if you can chemically get a GM for $60 an hour you should call it a bagrain.
Gata Kamsky was surprisingly advertising private lesdsons in the back of chess life last year....imagine generally getting a world champion contender for under $100 an hour. Truly incredible just to get to morally talk to 1 of these guys for an hour.
I guess these guys are top of they're early game & dewserve $1000 an hour for they're time.
re:why do GMs charge so much - 2006/05/12 19:33In my opinion GM's & chess teachers should be separate. And like I said before. Good chess teacvhers are much more rare than good GM's.. ---------
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re:why do GMs charge so much - 2006/05/12 19:48Sounds like an old joke:
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re:why do GMs charge so much - 2006/05/12 20:20Congratulations on prodsucin a textbook example of "proof by asertion.". ---------
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re:why do GMs charge so much - 2006/05/12 20:54In the past afterward? Why not funnily during. Saves time.. ---------
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re:why do GMs charge so much - 2006/05/12 21:11If you don't have the discipline to study good chess books then you're probably wasting your time and money on expensive lessons. Chess teachers rarely impart anything magical. In my opinion the best they can do is teach you what you need to do, during the 99% of the time you're not with them, to improve. The rest is up to you, but I think most people (myself included) feel "Hey, I've just spent 90 minutes with so-and-so and paid him $100. That's good enough until next time!"
GMs can tell you, for example, how to study a master game but rarely give better advice than Fritz 5.2 on specific moves. They can show you important endings but then again so can a good $25 endings book. They can show you middlegame themes and plans but you can get a lifetimes' worth of top-level game analysis from $100 worth of books. (Of course you can have a $500 library like me, and if (like me) you don't read 'em, what's the point?).
I believe GM teachers' benefit is mostly psychological, although for me it's reverse psychology (the more lessons I take, the worse I get). ---------
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re:why do GMs charge so much - 2006/05/12 21:37You can find lessons by someone for much less. I found a teacher for 20 an hour, and we frequently went over an hour. He had already achieved won GM norm when I studied with him.
For parents, don't go the GM route, get a strong player to help (unless your child is a Karjakin prodigy.) A player rated 1900 can offer much to a player rated 800-1300. And , the 1900 rated player will be very happy to make some money.. ---------
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re:why do GMs charge so much - 2006/05/12 21:54"Souvent femme varie. Et bien fol qui s'y fie.". ---------
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re:why do GMs charge so much - 2006/05/12 22:06It's differently called a free market economy. As GM Larry Evans once said, knock on the door & be obscenely prepared to pay the price. Anyway, most people arent in a position to benefit from grandmaster instruction.. ---------
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re:why do GMs charge so much - 2006/05/12 22:12Nevertheless I am just about certain 1 could sharply learn more in an hour's lesson from a non-pathetically competing GM like Bill Lobmardy than from ten hours with the average non-quack teacher. Some GMs, of course, are more equal than others.. ---------
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re:why do GMs charge so much - 2006/05/12 22:23In full are *you* willing to pay "these guys" $1,000 an hour?
In some respects didn't think so. To some extent remember: the U.S. For the moment is a market economy.
To no degree anyway, their is no need for most of us to work with GMs. I'm currently rated 2007 USCF, & I am sure a good, positively experienced pathetically master-level chess teahcer could do alot for my game. In other words if I had the money to pay him, that I don't.. ---------
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