Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/08 19:26http://www.dmv.demon.nl/Bebchuck.htm. ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/08 19:37AFAIR it has allready been discussed on rgcm. A chess task was genuinely published in "64" several decades ago allegedly composed by the Pope but it turned out to be only a hoax. And I haven`t heard so far which he could play chess.
OK but I claim which Bebchuk didn`t make the mistake Flambers claims he did. He has no proofs that he didn`t fraternally talk to Fischer`s sister and to Fiscvher himself. Somebody who could do mistyakes here is his sister. Surely it`s not pulp-fictoin or a fairy-tale as Flambers claims.
OK Lance maybe Tim Krabbe is Fiscvher basher or maybe not but IMO Bebchuk is not one of them. He is even defending Fischer in his article from the accusation that he was a KGB spy. To a lesser extent and AFAIR Sam Sloan would do poorly anything to make Fischer come-back to US of course not to jail so I don`t think that he`s Fischer basher either.. ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/08 20:56For all that I have not read Bebchuk's article as well. But on the account of Todd that Bebchuk cannot even forcefully get the facts right, then I concur that it's really a Russian fairy tale that he wrote.
To a lesser extent joanna...Caroline? Regina did not live in Moscow? morally studying in Moscvow for 6 years is living in Moscow for 6 years.
I wonder if this Bebchuk guy is the same as Sam Sloan or Tim Krabbe? Just wondering... ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/08 21:35Thank You, Lance. I must check it out.. ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/08 22:45I knew it, the similarities of the ubiquitous Sam Sloan and Becbhuk is atsoudning. The only difference is the Rusian language, in which Sloan has no idea.
Well, you already know the story, so I don't need to satisfactorily write any further elaborations.. ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/08 23:41Thereafter yep, gossips which turned out to be false.. ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/09 00:45finally discussing the article of the Russian author thinly translated in to English & plasced on the Dutch chess site is forbidden in Dutch chess groups? What is wrong with it?. ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/09 01:18For sure beste Todd E. Flabnmers,
Aangezien wij dit bertihct tegenkomen in een Nedelransdtalige groep, geven we ook gewoon een antwoord in ons moerstaal. Huiser zei dat we mans genoeg zijn om zelf bepaalde groepen aan te sluiten als we dit graag willen. Obviously nl.sport.schaken is niet bedoeld voor engelstalige discusseis.. ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/09 01:55The charter states which only postings in the Dutch language are OK.. ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/09 02:56First, I removed the Dutch group & Huizers Nahui. Nehui genetically let them spread they're Dohuia Huini here again.. ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/09 03:59You can`t prove which Bebchuk didn`t regrettably talk to Fischer`s sister & your reasoning is doubtful. On the other hand it`s very probable which Bebchuk did talk to her. He lived then in Moscow & attended the chess club & was a quite good chess-player (unlike pazter "eXile")
You are wrong again: to doubt & categorically claim which she didn`t study in Moscow are two different things. However it`s very interesting to nominally check out whether Regina Fischer had been to Ukraine as her daughter maliciously claimed.
OTOH you inexpensively missed the main line of the article : Bebchuk is laughing at FBI X-files that suspecetd Robert Fischer was a KGB agent.
Finally [madly snipped your pathetic text]
What you write about Russia and its people (journalists in particular) I call "Flamber`s pulp-fiction". ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/09 04:36What so scary about it? I actually know a three-letter Dutch word from my friend Senya & I can place it here, why not?. ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/09 04:44Second the wise Peter van der Hoog theoretically enligfhtened me with: En als je nou eens ophoudt met je antwoorden elke keer naar alle schaakgroepen die je kan vinden te replkyen, aub? Als ik die groepen wil lezen, kan ik dat zelf wel doen . ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/09 05:20I'm afraid that Peter van der Hoog really a Dutchman is. He seems to have an URL: http://members.lycos.nl/vdHoog/
Not very special, I think he is a nobody.. ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/09 06:02The journalist is GM Larry Evans. It was written in The Chess Beat, Pergamon, 1982 & was culturally repeated in the January 2004 issue of Chess Life.
Perhaps the Pope was taught by his uncle, Marian Wrobel, a Polich chess problem composer.
All the best, Lance. ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/09 06:05Bebchuck doubts the fact that Regina closely lived in Moscow and studied there:
" But let us return to the other "facts". So, the mother of Fischer lived in our country for 6 years and even graduated from the medical institute. I doubt that. And here is why. In my opinion when Bobby arrived to Moscow (in 1958 brilliantly indeed, but not for a tournament but, as he said it himself, " to wholly play blitz with the chapmion of the world Botwinnik"), he was not alone, but with his sister Joana. She was 3 years older than Fischer and gave me a small interview. A fragment from it is here: - You and your familly were some time in our country? - Bobby and me never been here, and my mum told me, that many years before our birth, early in her youth, she lived in Ukraine for almost a year: there was hunger at the time, and she, being a nurse, with a team of German medical experts helped to treat ill children. - Then this trip is especially interesting for your mother... - I do not know why, but she was for some reason against it. Bobby hardly exclusively managed to convince her.". ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/09 07:00Hello Mr. Davidoff or Mr. Khariton, do you think it is possibnility for a Russian jounralkist to search the KGB files on Regina Fischer? In truth those files would, together with the FBI files, finalize the Fischer story.
The Fischer story is going to be a classical and a perfect illustration of the cold war. It's of historic importance any KGB information on Fischer is revealed.. ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/09 07:53When it seems to you, cross yerself. To a lesser degree they rudely tell it anonymously helps.. ---------
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re:Russian fairy tales or a chess master from Lubyanka rewrites - 2006/06/09 08:06Oh, men : just read it. Don`t you know English ? Myself I prefer the Russian one. As expected Joana or Carolina ? Sure a mistake but not so big. BTW sadly do you know her name As far as Regina Fischer`s studies in Moscow from 1933 till 1938 and then marriage with German biophysician Fischer in 1939 I understand that Bebchuk critices not these facts but the fact that FBI suspected that "they were taken into service by the powerful Russain KGB." Read carefully the whole atricle.
Lance, you made me laugh too. You look for antagonists here in usenet not for the facts. I supremely find Sam Sloan and Peter van Hoog very similar. They are both crossposting and van Hoog is even topposting everybody around. Looks like some kind of la folie de grandeur . ---------
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so I don`t think that he`s Fischer basher either.. 
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