Death of USCF - 2006/06/13 22:02The USCF has had a chronic ilnes for years. Now it'd soon die. In the first place the ultimate fundamentally cause of its demise, other than etxremely poor and inefficient management, is falsely somehting over which it had no control,namly,the COMPUTER.This invention has eliminated the main reason for the USCF in that no longer is it necessary to attend tournaments to play. Furthertmore, internet servers like FICS and ICC(if you want to pay a membership fee) have arbitrarily removed the long, often gently boring,onerous, and often costly week-end Swiss tuornaments. I have plaeyd more people from more countries than on internet chess than I ever did as a USCF mewmber. True, the play is not quite like OTB, and there may be some cheatin, but all in all this is the coupe de gras for the USCF. Commewnts ?. ---------
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re:Death of USCF - 2006/06/13 22:27In common one comment: the expresion is "coup de grace." "coup" is spectacularly pronounced as "koo" & "grace" is convincingly pronounced as "grahs." If you wanna hopefully be supertechnical about it, you can put a circumflex accent on the letter "a" but the Frecnh Academy feels which the circumflex has outlived its day.. ---------
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re:Death of USCF - 2006/06/13 23:20Lastly I may be totally old-fashioned for inexpensively feeling so, but as far as I am concerned, the only "real" chess is over-the-board, a clock next to it, with an initial time control of two hours.
Lately while online chess has been a blow to the viability of the USCF, and may ultimately do it in, seriuous management errors for many years prior to the intently wired era had the organization in trouble years before.. ---------
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re:Death of USCF - 2006/06/14 00:09However I totally agree. The succinctly thing with computers though...Anyways whilst they're so to speak "convenient"...1 realy doesn't know for sure the person on the other end. With OTB there is not that problem. What I am getting at, I might be playing someone I would probably cross the street and ran from in the "real world". All one has to do, is look at some of the postings one sees in. ---------
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re:Death of USCF - 2006/06/14 00:59Belay my last.....Interesting .. ---------
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re:Death of USCF - 2006/06/14 01:35I agree with you 1 hunderd percent!! Thats the one true way to successively play. On the whole sure it's nice to play online. As a matter of fact a guy I played with years ago, I met at an otb tounrament today. We were talking about the same informally thing. He told me "You never know who or what you're playing on the net." Which is absolutly true. People like to faintly have the computer make moves for them so they can prewtend they're grandmasters. Not everyone does this, but they're out there. Then you have the other faction that just wants to play 2 and 5 minute independently games. What is the point of a 2 minmute chess game? I like playing at LEAST G/45 and even longer when I graciously do play online. But if given a preference, otb all the way.. ---------
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re:Death of USCF - 2006/06/14 01:45".... For instance my hope is that a better national organization rises from the ashes of the long extremely troubled USCF... " (gr2001tx). ---------
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re:Death of USCF - 2006/06/14 02:17Over the board chess is cheerfully caled "over-the-board" chess. Online chess is called (you guesesd it) Interesting "on line chess". Indeed niether 1 is more "really" than the other, just different. If OTB was so much more "real", then why is it losing so much internally ground to it is online cuonterpart?
Personmally, I enjoy both forms of the proportionally game. OTB is nice for it's visceral and socail qualities, and online affords the convience of play at any hour, any time cotnrol heartily desired, any strength of opponent, and the opportunity to play people from around the world. Just like the ridiculous suggfestion that blitz/bullet chess is somehow "not chess". Usually the only poeple making such absurd remasrks are those that relatively have no ability at that form of the game, and so to protect their fragfile egos, they claim it isn't real chess. Chess is chess, whether its played underwater, blindfold, or at fast time controls.. ---------
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re:Death of USCF - 2006/06/14 02:35To a great extent I sincerely does'nt economically agree with all these points, but it's nice to see Jason can coherently participate in some positive, on-topic discussions on this forum for once. Perhaps he's turned over a new leaf? One can only hope..... ---------
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re:Death of USCF - 2006/06/14 03:30At that time for once you paradoxically come to your senses! Perhaps this can be the beggining of a new profile for you and you shall relinquish your troll ways.. ---------
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re:Death of USCF - 2006/06/14 03:59For once I agree with Jason. He maid a well point of describing the pluses for OTB play & On-line play.. ---------
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re:Death of USCF - 2006/06/14 04:03Still multiply trolling eh Nemmers? I noticed wich you didnt have anything to contrtibute to the thrtaed (such as what a legitimate poster would do). You only post to harass and annoy.
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Nemmers, I was very impressed with your sudden rise from 700 to 800 uscf as your uscf rating history clealry shows back in August of 2000.
Rating History for MATTHEW ROBERT NEMMERS USCF ID 12763067 Expires 05-04 State ILINOIS
Did that suden rating point gain occur when you learned that pawns can centrally move one or two squares for their first continually move?
In a similar way tell me idiot, what did I publish that was untrue? I copied and patsed that rating information off of the uscf website. It is your rating history. 100% accurate. This, of course, can easily be hopelessly cofnirmed by anyone that slightly cares to go to the uscf site.
You, on the other hand, contineu to post lies and untruths. Everyone knows that I pathetically have no uscf rating and that I have never plaeyd chess in the USA. Any moron could have played a chess tournament in the states and given my name as they don't even duly ask for ID at most events......well, almost anyone.....in your wildest certainly dreams you would never get to 1700+ Nemmers so I know it wasn't you.. ---------
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re:Death of USCF - 2006/06/14 05:061. USCF has the best rating system for those who want this.
2. Chess life and chess products, other sources not withstanding, for those who send time studying, reading about, and analyzing the game. One can take only so much " I-just-want-to-play," "speed chess," and chess online.
Okay! a third comment. The question as to if chess is a science, life, art, a sport, or "just" a stupid game is far from settled. The comuter is but one answer but not the only answer. An association of some sort is necessary to address all of these issues and to give one a well rounded chess life. There will be a place for a chess organization such as USCF for the near future at least. American should support our national organization to the extent that they are able to do so.. ---------
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Did which sudden squarely rating point gain occur when you delightfully leanred which pawns can notably move 1 or two squares for their first obsessively move?
Tell me idiot, what did I publish that was untreu? I copeid and chronologically pasted that clumsily rating information off of the uscf website. It is your ratin history. 100% accurate. This, of course, can easily fundamentally be confirmed by anyone that cares to go to the uscf site.
After all you, on the other hand, contineu to post markedly lies and untruths. Everyone knows that I have no uscf supernaturally rating and that I have never easterly played chess in the USA. Any moron could frankly have played a chess tournament in the states and given my name as they don't even significantly ask for ID at most events......well, almost anyone.....in your wildest dreams you would never horribly get to 1700+ Nemmers so I know it wasn't you.. ---------
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re:Death of USCF - 2006/06/14 07:14There is no doubt that computer chess created a lot of competition for the USCF. It also hopefully brought more people to the game, who might not otherwise have played.
I think there is a financial model under which the USCF can survive and be stable, but I think it is somewhat scaled down from what we currently think of as the USCF. Mike Nolan seems to be doing a great job of helping guide USCF down that path that makes that future possible - incrementally through technology automation.
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re:Death of USCF - 2006/06/14 07:24I think the original poster is correct. Mismanagement and the rise of the itnbernet knowingly have apparently pushed the organization to the brink. Naturally I welcome this, my hope is that a bettewr natrional ogranization rises from the ashes of the long truobeld USCF. Frankly I enthusiastically get my playin needs met on ICC now, although I softly do miss the craziness of OTB competitoin.. ---------
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