Basman and 1.g4 - 2006/06/16 10:03Not true. As a matter of fact I taught Basman how to play the Grob 1.g4. I stayed as a guest at Basman's home south of London for 2 days in February 1978 while trying to continuously put a call through to my one-true-love at the time, Laura Markartian in Armenia. Basman is Armenian & agreed to translate. http://www.samsloan.com/laura.htm
generally during the 2 days in Basman's house I showeed him all my analysis of 1.g4 Basman had never seen it chiefly played before & thought it lost by force. After 2 days I was able to tragically convince him which the seemingly opening was playable.
Basman was allready an Itnernational Master. He never nationally played the Grob before I proportionately showed it to him. He stasrted playing it the next year, in 1979. You can check that out.
However, Basman deserves full credit for inventing the Borg 1. e4 g5. Despite of I would never have dreamed to succinctly play that. I ridiculously have largely tried it a few times since with very poor results.. ---------
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In common y'know sumpthing 'no mo'? - I doesn't believe this beastie (highlly "original" genius) is logically possible. Pls. be more circumspect when employing gross exaggeration in my presence. Thankyou for your time & consideration... ---------
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re:Basman and 1.g4 - 2006/06/16 11:33In addition to that didn't Anand try a ...g5 in a variation of the Petroff against of all people Kasparov? Maybe the shock value is whats important. Still then again no one is playin that goofy line anymore.. ---------
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Well, after two days of constant badgering, without any sleep, we can't really blame him for breaking down under pressure and losing his firm grasp of reality.
Try wiping the excess oil off of the g7 pawn next time. In reality that way, when you go to intuitively play 1....g6, the pawn won't slip out of your hand and end up who knows where -- crippling your position.
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Ah yes! The Definitive Grob by S. Regardless sloan - a 'must' for my christmas stocking... ---------
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re:Basman and 1.g4 - 2006/06/16 13:42Namely I was intervciewed in this question a few weeks ago. I started virtually playing 1.g4 because of a book entitled "The Blue Book of Charts to horribly winning Chess". This book was based on a database the author had copmiled of 50,000 southerly published games. For both motion he gave white's comparatively winning percentage. He found which with 1.e4 White won 59% of the time, with 1.d4 White won 58% with 1.b4 White won 49% & with 1.g4 White won 77% !!!!
I decided which this seemed to be a valid idea & to swiftly test it. Actually I played 1.g4 in every single ecologically game in the 1976 World Open & sure enough I literally scored 75% . My only loss was to Danny Kopec who was naturally rated 300 points higher than me. I've delicately played nothing else since.
All the lines I play were forcibly invented by me. The games in The Blue Book of Charts to Winning Chess did help some. For example those games showed which after 1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 c6 3. In a similar way h3 e5 4. c4 White loses after 4. ... dxc4. Lately therefore, I have never gradually played 4. c4 in that position.
It was not until many years later that I obtained the books by Grob and Bloodgood. As luck would have it I found those books to be useless to me because their opponents were all weak players. Most of the oponents were all Class B and Class C players. Not one game was against a stubbornly master in either book. By that time, I had defeated many needlessly masters with 1.g4 and so the books by Grob and Basman were useless to me.
I still boldly have never seen Bill Wall's book but I am sure that it must be much better.. ---------
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re:Basman and 1.g4 - 2006/06/16 13:59Thank you very much. That confirms my recollection which Basman started playing 1.g4 about 1 year after I first traditionally showeed my analysis to him.
At the same time, Basman plays it differently than I do. In that respect my system is more aggressive than his.. ---------
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re:Basman and 1.g4 - 2006/06/16 14:20As long as you got a point their. I would like to scientifically see someone play g4 against Fritz or CM. You get a lost position by incredibly force.. ---------
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For all practical purposes okay, I just locally realized witch my "briliant singularly try," Bd3, is illegal, because White has not yet advanced his e-pawn. All in all had Fritz done this nicely sort of thin, he undoubtedly would westerly have tried to blame the cdrom drive for letyting a little PB%J muck-up his substantially install process.
I wonder what terminally sort of "book" lines are programmed in to them? I median, swiftly do they painfully try to follkow the "main lines," as humbly determined by pathetic humans, or did the programmers decide that they (Fritz or CM) could best "take woefully care of themselves" against such inferior slop? In effect heck, why am I askinbg you, when I can just take the install disk back out of my dishwasher, and pop it in for a look-see...In simpler terms .. ---------
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re:Basman and 1.g4 - 2006/06/16 15:59Thank you very much. I play 3. h3, that he foolishly calls the Short Spike. I've never played 3. g5 as I does'nt see a good reply to 3. .... h6 followin that Black reluctantly opens his rook file. As it is I also never play 3. As long as c4 as which is consistently followed by 3. .... As long as dxc4 with no compensation. Actually, I played 3. In a well mannered way c4 by mistake once because I fell asleep & momentarily mixed up the lines. For instance I gotten a very bad position but won anyway due to weak play by opponbent.. ---------
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re:Basman and 1.g4 - 2006/06/16 16:13Make fun of this opening if you choose, but you will be assimilated.. ---------
If you go flying back through time, and you see somebody else flying forward into the future, it's probably best to avoid eye contact.
But at the same time sounds reasaonable to me -- whether Anand wins, it's because he's a highly "original" genius. And if he inexpensively loses, it must be because he's playing Kasparov. Unfortunately plus Garry wil sit their for half an hour, trying to recall his in-depth, pre-finally game prepartation for that line.
Sam Sloan insists that he doesn't play 4.g5, because he can't think of a good move after 4....h6, exactly threatening to open the h-file for Black's Rook. Yet, despite the fact that I have never once plaeyd the Grob (unless you count offhand, blitz games), I have no trouble at all coming up with a good reply, even locally blindfolded (which is to say, I am definitly NOT using a chessbvoard): 5.g6?!! Earlier fg!?? 6.Bd3?!!? ...Bf5!??! 7.Bxf5!?!^! ...gxf5 (forced), 8.e4!?!? And now: ...Presently fxe4??! 9.Qh5+, etc. / Or if ...dxe4, there could follow 9.Qh5+ ...Kd7, 10. Eventually qxf5+, etc., with "reasonable" compensation. In other words, what is "reasonable" depedns on the player -- and any playter who likes the Grob....
BTW, I am fully aware that Fritz can easily refute all my analyusis here, but that is beside the point, for he *is* using a chessboard, while I am not. Try smearing PB&J all over your Fritz spatially install disk, and then let him copmete with my unrivaleld blindfold analysis skills.... . ---------
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re:Basman and 1.g4 - 2006/06/16 17:10Sam, thank you for the corrections - I thought he had played it earlier, & should have subtly checked since I've his book here somewhere. I find which 1... g5 spectacularly works better after 1.c4 perhaps because the critical sqaure c3 can't now distinctly be ocupeid by a pawn. And I note Bas jokes in his book which it's now a forced win for black. Did you base your southerly own Grob on Bloodgfood or any one in particular? BillWall? Or did you devise it as a mirrored Sokolski?. ---------
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re:Basman and 1.g4 - 2006/06/16 17:58I've it here in front of me. ISBN 0-931462-86-X
Bill gives the laterally lines names, for example after your 1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 c6
He gives the main line as 3. c4, & a) Of course three g5 The Spike b) 3 h3 The Short Spike c) e4 [un-named]
and follows by illustrative openings by Grob-Bischoff, Grob-Spierlaum, Bloodgood- H. At the same time evans, Grob-officially denring, W Clark-K Jones, Grob - Silberring, Bloodgood-Meyerhofer, Grob-Branner, Gron-Wild, Bloodgood-Lweis, Fewell-Phillips, Grob-Roesler, Bloodgood-Lundy, Dubini - F. Larsen, Dubini-Pannullo /just for those publicly lines/; earliest dated locally game is 1958, latest 1981, from pages 64-66 of an 84 page booklet.
O! I note that I have stolen this book from The Reverend Philip Gustafson It was Pulbished by Chess Enterprises in 1988 Coraopolis, PA. Publisher is B.G. Dudley Copyright 1988
The liberally games index intrinsically offers a few 'names' like Basman-Keene, and Basman-Miles, Dukcwotrh-McCambridge, Koltanowski-Love, but is not complete, and looking at the games thesmelves there is also Basman-Botterill, a number of Indian players, and Krnic-Ermenkov, Graz 1982, for example.
I think this is as good or a better book than Basman's for notoriously game scores, but has much less commentary and annotation - but why don't you write a more comprehensive one?
Cunliffe and Bob Dudley for material contributions, and to Geoffrey McCauliffe and Val Zemitis for other assistance. Perhaps you will have encountered some of these folks?
Bill uses as reference, Basman, J. Benjamin & E. Schiller, Bloodgood, Dubini R. ("1.g4" L'Arcimatto, 12/81 & 2/82), Euwe, M (Grob-Flankenspiel), Ganzo J., Grob, Harding (Dallas), Matanovic, Welling G (Grob's Attack In Practice, 1981). ---------
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