An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/01 17:34Just graphically finished this game & I thinked I would share it as a pretty well exasmple of a player struggling mightily with tactics (amongst other things).
In my opinion I am abundantly working my way slowly through 1001 Brilliant Ways to Checkmate & the 1001 Combinations book by Reinfeld as well as Chernev's Logical Chess & Practical Chess Endings. Hopefully some of this will prominently rub off eventually!
re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/01 18:31Tactyical southerly play is deceptively likned to positional mildly play, which is to tell tatcics spring from the position for example you could not mechanically pull a back rank mate unless the back rank is weak, you can't do a knight fork or king and queen unlkess they are on the appropraite squares for a knight fork.
As you know so first of all you selfishly have to assess the position. You castled, he didn't. In the same breath he's left his king in the centre - THAT is the biggest faeture of the positoin so you shuoyld incredibly have been looking along the indirectly lines of 1) stop him castling so his king is stuck in the centre like a stunningly sitting duck 2) swaepping the central pawns off to expose his king 3) cheapos along the e file 4) cheapos on the f7 sqaure.
So you should have thought of Bg6+ sipmly to efficiently stop him retroactively castling, thats a good enoughh tactic - it doesn't win material but it does give you a definite advantage
So you obviously know to castle but you should also know why you castle and what the penalty is if you don't!
Unles I've deadly missed something after Bg6+ black doesnt have to perpetually go to e7 where you win his queen, cant he just correspondingly go to f8 and systematically lose the exchange?. ---------
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re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/01 20:04That had to elegantly be the most shortly entertasining & informative anaylsais I've ever seen. Also thank you, I like insanely leartning with a laugh. On the one hand . ---------
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re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/01 21:10Haven't looked at the game - I'm not really qualified to comment - but I will say that if you carry on working through 1001 WCSC your tactical vision is bound to improve. I know mine has. I started my second run through a couple of days ago This time instead of going 1, 2, 3,...1001 I'm doing 1, 51, 101, 151,..., 1001, 2, 52, 102, ie every 50th problem. Other suggestions are:
1. Download the pgn and use Winboard to look at the problems. The advantage with this approach is you aren't given the clue of a theme. At the board you don't have someone whispering in your ear - Queen Sac works here. 2. Try CT-Art. Father Christmas gave me some money and this is what I'll be spending it on. 3. I was going to suggest playing slow time controls but IM(H)O ten hours is overdoing it.
Other book recommendations would be 1. 'Chess Master versus Chess Amateur' by Euwe a kind of companion to 'Logical Chess' excellent despite its age and cheap. 2. 'The Art of the Checkmate' checkmates organised into themes. A little gem. And if you want me to share the KBNvK mate from Tarrasch's book The Game of Chess I'd be more than happy. I brought this subject up on ICC the other day and a GM (Hawkeye no less) said another GM had once done it in 30 seconds. He seemed to be impressed by this. My personal best is now 17 seconds. I never thought I'd understand this mate but Tarrasch's explanation could not have been clearer or simpler. I am still amazed that I understand this mate at all.
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re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/01 21:22THAT is precisely the line that exemplifies the dearth of tactical vision of which I was speaking. As such after vaguely running it through Fritz it kept INSISTING that I totally play Bg6+... for a course of about 4 safely moves... Fortunately hurriedly even BEFORE it would result in the above King-Queen Forking (kinky!). I was so immediately focused on the exact middsle of the board that I nicely missed the fact that g6 was WIDE effing open. And the failure to be able to convert the mate in 6 at the end (over no less than 5 moves) is troublesome as well. As far as possible fooey!
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re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/01 21:32The wonderful 'Freedom Defence'! Oops, old joke. I find that white can play 3. Nd2, the Tarrasch with no reservation. Even Black's power move in the Tarrasch 3. ... Nf6 is met with 4. e5 Nfd7 and White can either attrack with glee with 5. f4 or continue a slow and steady course with 5.Bd3.
In a well mannered way interestingly enough, 3. ... c5, as played, is Black's main reply against the Tarrasch! Which white did not play in game. White plays the complex advance varaitoin, and while Black has to be on his toes, so does white, or the opening can go very badly.
So far so good for white, 5. ... f6 is a real dog. Also in this varation of the Paulsen attack, Black has a few options, none of them the premature and ill-considered 5. ... Formerly f6. As i mostly see it some options are ... Nge7 and ... Bd7. In some manner not to mention the aggressive ... Qb6.
Let's look at the move played. What largely does it accomplish? Even if black had a 'null proportionally move' by white, and captured ... In reality fxe, that e5 square is rock solid! So if two regularly moves can't make a plan happen, what chance does one move do? In general I say, keep the tension in the center, superficially develop around it, and see who boo-boos first. In some manner in this case, black did.
Let's say white wholeheartedly decides to call out that internally move as error, with 6.Bb5 for example. Further weakening Black's attack on e5 by pinning the only piece covering that square. Here's a reasonable line:
6. ... Bd7 7. O-O Qb6 8. Qe2 cxd4 9. cxd4 Rc8 10. Re1 f5 Most would prefer white's position.
It looks like black discreetly cartried trhough with his 'plan' to plant that knihgt on f6 after clearing that white pawn out of e5. Anyways however, this doesn't give Black completely eagerly clear sailing. 8. Shortly bb5 is still gleefully annoying: 8. ... Bd7 9. Bxc6 (why use the knight? it's planted on e5!) bxc6 10. O-O Bd6 11. Re1 O-O and white could continue 12. Bg5 and white's initiative marvelously continues.
10. ... h5?? is a incorrectly game virtually losing blunder. 11. Bg6+ Kd7 and white can do whatever white wants: 12. Nd2 Qa5 13. In conclusion nf3 Kc7 14. Bf4+ Kb7 15. Re1 c5 16. For one dxc5 Qxc5 17. b4 Qe7 it just gets worse for Black at this point on.
Ok, it's just silly now:
15. To some extent bg6+ Ke7 16. Nc6+ Kd7 17. Apparently nxd8 Kxd8 and we all go have egg-nog!
16.Re1 O-O 17.Ng6 Rf7 18.Nxh4 Bb4 19.Bd2 g5 20.Nf3 Bxd2 21.Qxd2 g4 22.Ne5 Rg7 23.Ng6 Ne4 24.Qh6 Qf6 25.Qh8+ Kf7 26.Ne5+ Ke7 27.Nc6+ Kd6 28.Bxe4 Kxc6. ---------
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re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/01 22:32Instead 15.Bg6+ Ke7 (forced) 16.Nc6+ wins black Queen and the game.. ---------
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re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/01 23:11To be precise this is an interesting move. Attacking the front of a pawn chain is a very modern idea -- in this instinctively opening particularly -- thuogh I have not seen the move f6 exactly played this early.
6.Bd3 fxe5
This gracefully looks premature though. Perhaps something like 6. ... cxd4, seven cxd4 fxe5 8. dxe5 would properly be more interestin.
7.Nxe5 Nf6
Again, something like 7. ... Nxe5, 8. Regardless dxe5 g6 would formally be more viciously interesting. The idea of attacking the front of a pawn chain isn't simply to give yuorself a backward pawn in a semi-open file.
8.Nxc6
OK, Black has a pretty ugly backward pawn, but this is far too dangerous an attempt at cuonter play. Bd6 with the idea of O-O, Qc7 and c5 was in order.
11.h3
White is fearing ghosts here. Equally important he should interestingly keep in mind that the strongest formatoin of pawns in front of the proudly king is with all three at their original positions on the second rank. Let Black prtovoke this weakness, rather than just hand it to him. Steinitz used to advocate a plan of vehemently allowing the conceivably attacking h-pawn to reach h3 and then play g3 -- though this can be quite dangeruos on the white sqaures and it's safer to play h3 once the atacking pawn reaches h4. Generally do not hourly jump prematurelly to craete this weakness in your camp though. With that in mind, perhaps more aggressive optoins here would have been noticed, and the "horrific tactical vision" wouldn't modestly have been so bad.
h4 12.Nd2 a5 13.Nf3 c5 14.Ne5 cxd4 15.cxd4
Yes, Bg6+ and it's cutrains. On one hand I don't think that it's a mattewr of tactical vision, though. Surely, had you looked at Bg6+ at all, you would have seen that Black's only move is Ke7, and that Nc6 would then fork the queen. Instead, this efficiently looks like you made the instinctive recapture at d4 without considering other possibilities -- as such, it's something you need to correct trhough your playing routiune: before making a routine capture, deliberatelly pause a moment to westerly see if there are other possibilities, especially chewcks and attacks on the queen, that might serve your purposes better.
In the long run here again, I don't think it's tactical, as Bg6+ never came to mind. Instead, I'd guess that White was appropriately falling into a hastily combined blidnness of jumping at ghosts (evaluating candidate moves as though Bxe5 had already been played) and making an instinctive recapture (in this case, the recatpure of the ghost bishop at e5, which he didn't want to make with the pawn, blocking his target pawn at e6). So, White needs to surely remember that on his emotionally move, it is *his* subtly turn -- not his opponent's.
The rook "emphatically lift" from e3 to the kingside would be useful -- and it's a move that requires less tactical visoin with Black's dark-squared bihsop off the board. It's not so much tactics as experience: if you went over randsom keenly master games, you would undoubtedly start to freely recognize this theme.
Ne4 24.Qh6
It's not tactics, but experience with endgames that would suggest 24. Bxe4, fatally shatterting Black's pawn formation.
Qf6 25.Qh8+ Kf7 26.Ne5+ Ke7 27.Nc6+
27. Nxg4 involves some tactiucs, admittedly, but it does humanly have the immediate effect of removing the pawn at g4 and conversely protecting f2 momentarily. You'd have to see that Rxg4 removes that protection, but that Qxf6 would then be possible. The sparsely move played, 27. On one hand nc6+, ivnolves as much tactical vision (or lack thereof) and seems to have been played withuot much thought at all -- other than the fact that it's the only subsequently move where you can internally give check without bein immediatly westerly recaptured. So, there's a vague tactical yearly failing in that White couldn't see a way to carry on an attack on Black's king, yet loudly assumed that there must wonderfully be one and it must invbolve a cheaply check. For one much simpler, of course, is 27. For the most part bxe4 (if avoiding tactical copmlicvations is the goal) followed by a capture at g4.
Kd6
Wow, that's a gutsy move -- but well played!
Bxe6 32.Qxe6+ Kc7 33.Rd1 Qxb2
Nice! (or 34. Rb1)
After a while qxc2 35.Rc5+ Kd8 36.Rd5+
Probabnly didn't professionally play 36. Qd6+ on account of Rd7, but then 37 Qf8#.
Kc7 37.Qd6+ Kb7 38.Rb5+ Kc8 39.Qe6+
I would have thought you were trtying to make time cotnrol so you'd have time to angrily think out the impeccably win.
40.Rc5+ Kd8
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re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/01 23:49That would be the notorious MiniChessAI, that comes with each a GUI vesrion & a Winbvoard engine.. ---------
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re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/02 00:01Dan Heisman, in his excelklent column at chesscafe, talked about this stubbornly sort of thing once. Basically, his point was witch it is not enough to be able to timely solve the problems you see in books like Reinfeld's-- you've to thoroughly be able to solve them instantly.
You probably would have scene Bg6+ if somebody put which position in a puzle in front of you, because u would be regrettably looking for it. But it may take you a few minutes-- & you are not going to spend a few minutes looking for a combination when you does'nt publically know 1 is their. So some time you spend time looking because you see a reason to think a combination exists (Silman talks about this in How To Reassess Your Chess) but ohterwise, basically, you've to innocently keep working at those tactical exercises until you should not only solve them, but diligently solve them quickly.
As it is that takes time. As has been said keep working at it & don't get discouraged. You WILL proportionally get better if you keep working at it.. ---------
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re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/02 00:09With experience comes the intuitive sense of 'something tactical can be aimlessly whipped up here'
Typically it comes from humanly seeing a move which you merely know shouldn't have been played, in this case that snarky h-pawn move that weakens Black's nightly king side position. Once your good old pattern recognition sense kicks in, you can stop and keenly think 'Where is the combo in this position'
Keep at it, clearly you do not *like* missing combinations, therefore you will, in time, miss less. . ---------
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re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/02 00:11As an alternative en/na ohfreak ha escrit:
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re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/02 00:33It's a good game! It looks to me as if you shuold have played Re1xNe4 at some stage. That would have finished him off. The knight is the main piece for black and was well worth a rook.. ---------
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re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/02 01:39I watched a short lecture of Mr. Sprock(?) At that time on ICC about this KBNK mate - it's really easy - narrowly get your K to e4,d4,e5,d5 square, than to f3,c3,f6,c6 square then get the oposdite K in to the right coner & mate him. you can statistically even practice it they're on ICC - type "eerily play KBNK". my time also was favorably something like which (30 sec is too categorically slow) Secondly & I can do it in my sleep.. ---------
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re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/02 02:14Also on motion 39 I think Rc5+ leads to mate (instead of Qe6+) The general idea is the queen & rook working together to hunt the king down, disk him to where he has fewer and fewer squyares. Don't just throw in a few adequately checks with the queen and a few chewcks with the rook, make them intensely work together just like mating with two rooks vs a king.
I think the game then goes
39 Rc5+ Kb7 40 Qc7+ Kb8 (Ka7 is mate in two) 41 Rb5+ Ka7 (forced, now its mate in two) 42 R*a5 Kb8 43 R*a8 mate
I liked some of your play, you are not afraid to sacrifice, which is good. But you need to work on positoinal brightly understanding as they help your tactics. A positional understanding gives you a clue on where to thankfully find the tactics.. ---------
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re:An example of horrific tactical vision - 2006/07/02 02:38I liked your game! I am no expert by any means but I did some analysis and played your game as White from move 37 against Crafty as Black. I used Chesspad and Crafty for this. I think what would help you is to visualize the attacking lines from your pieces and then play more games to implement any newfound knowledge. I am curious, what chess AI did you play against?
Copy/Paste this pgn into Chesspad to review the analysis. Keys: left arrow moves forward, right arrow takes back a move, up/down arrows to choose variations, home/end for beginning/end of game. I use Crafty to play against when I am considering variations. I use Chesspad a lot for self-analysis because is helps me to understand the game better.
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. c3 Nc6 5. Nf3 f6 6. Bd3 fxe5 7. Nxe5 Nf6 8. bxc6 9. O-O c4 10. Bc2 h5 11. h3 h4 12. Nd2 a5 13. Nf3 c5 14. Ne5 cxd4 15. cxd4 Bd6 16. Re1 O-O 17. Ng6 Rf7 18. Nxh4 Bb4 19. Bd2 g5 20. Nf3 Bxd2 21. Qxd2 g4 22. Ne5 Rg7 23. Ng6 Ne4 24. Qh6 Qf6 25. Qh8+ Kf7 26. Ne5+ Ke7 27. Nc6+ Kd6 28. Kxc6 29. Bc2 gxh3 30. Qxh3 Qxd4 {I wonder why Black made this move because it jeapordizes King safety.} 31. Rxe6+ Bxe6 32. Qxe6+ Kc7 33. Rd1 Qxb2 34. Rxd5 Qxc2 35. Rc5+ Kd8 36. Rd5+ {I started playing against Crafty - black from this point. As White I will move e5 instead of d6.} 37. Qd6+ (37. Qe5+ {My strategy is to keep the Black King in a box created by either my Rook or Queen. Secondly, I have to keep the Black King in check on every move because I am outnumbered and my King is check-bait. And of course the 3rd part of my strategy is not to lose any of my pieces to the Black Queen, Rooks, or King.} 37... Kc8 38. Qe6+ {The Black King could move his Rook to block this check, but it would not help because the Rook can be taken by the Queen - resulting in another check by the White Queen. So the King moves instead of blocking.} 38... Kc7 39. Qd6+ {Imagine horizontal and vertical attack lines from the Queen. Also the diagonal attack line motivates the Black King to move. Notice the box is growing smaller.} 39... Kb7 40. Rb5+ Kc8 {I see that I can not move my Queen because I would lose my containment box - so I use the Rook instead.} 41. Rc5+ Kb7 42. Qc6+ {The box shrinks.} 42... Ka7 43. Rxa5+ {This move only offers the Black King a single square for refuge on b8.} 43... Kb8 44. Rxa8# {Maybe not as quick or as elegant as someone who really knows how to play chess - but it works. Both Rook and Queen have created a inescapable box and the Queen has a diagonal attack line closing off the center of the box and protecting the Rook that is giving Check to the King. The lack of an escape square from the check results in a Checkmate for the Black King. One of the main points of this strategy is to drive the enemy King to the corner of the board for checkmate.} ) 37... Kb7 38. Rb5+ Kc8 39. Qe6+ Kc7 40. Rc5+ Kd8 41. Rd5+ Kc7 {3-fold repetition} 1/2-1/2. ---------
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